Whats going on with SE ?

[ManuelBravo]

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?! I will ask you this. The developers specifically said that whenever a player enters an instance, their entire inventory is sent between server and player. Why? I'd like to know why, when I do not use inventory, when I don't even open it, it is sent along with a ton of other (more or less necessary data), instead of doing it only when I DO open it or get a first drop? All that needs to be sent related to inventory is what is on the hotbars, like potions. The game should check whether the potions are really there, but this too is just a precaution there's nothing fishy going on. If you had potions before entering the instance, it is obvious you have them when entering it as well, so technically it could assume you do and just work with the inventory once you do use one of them.Same with character gears. Why are they loaded?! When you attack, defend, cast spell...What matters is not your gear. It's your stats. Your gear should be loaded visually (on your character)...and that's all. Bits of it should be loaded (and therefore data related to them transferred) when you open your character screen (icons) and then when you hover over it (tooltips). Nothing ever needs to be loaded or otherwise sent between servers/clients until you actually switch that gear. This is so much more glaring when often you will not even have your gears stats due to being synced down.


There is a lot of data sent at once completely unnecessarily. Instead of doing it gradually as client/server demands it, it's packed tightly and sent back and forth "because it can come in useful". Sorry, but I prefer to have even half a second delay in seeing the icons of my inventory the first time I open it in an instance (if I even do that) than spend half a minute on the loading screen instead of few seconds. And have them be able to play with inventory space instead of it being impossible.

Another part is that really, the game could go to 64-bit and start more heavily utilizing RAM. If not that, then at least start using hard-drive to temporarily store frequently used data, and operate on that instead of sending tons of stuff between clients and servers. For example, tooltips for items could be loaded once when you start the game and saved on hard-drive (to remove PING issues, and that's assuming they are not already stored on hard drive) and never need to be transferred again during that session unless modified by adding a materia.

So yes, whether it is the physical storage of data or its transfer, there are ways to make it more efficient and they are doing it in a way that makes further growth more difficult (according to them...impossible).

There is a lot more behind the scenes that this. Making it sound simple like this you have omitted many things. In simpler forms picture this. Your running multiple programs at once on one hard drive. For the sake of argument lets say player A is running operating system, itunes, discord, a web browser, anit virus, ect and FFXIV all in one HD.. Player B same thing with the exception he is running FFXIV on a separate HD. Which HD will give out first? Now picture this as information being transferred from servers and 1 million players accessing content at the same time, kind of the early release of an expansion. Anyone that has played early access and release dates have experience constant server stability is the worst at this point. Same issues people will complain and while people think they are special or should get priority they miss the point that severs and data is always fluctuating involving various factors. This server congestion can affect stability, not to mention everyone system can be effected differently. You can't expect a PC from 2002 to run the same as one from 2015. A 32bit system vs a 64 bit system, so no data can vary and display issues can vary. Instances were set up to help stability issues.

For loading information temp data storage on a system can also fluctuate based on settings such as anti virus or system maintenance settings. Storing Data is not the issue, it's how it communicates based on various factors.

[Ruf]

I'm trying to give you some credibility by asking of your sources. In any debate it is only logical to have that? I only stated what logically makes sense. If I'm wrong I would like to be proven wrong. As for MB comment was that some type of insult or attempt to insult? It only proofs my point further that many people see it as unfair yet no one has proven any actual fraud, or scam, just personal perspectives that clash with the simple fact that this is a business. Labeling as fraud or rip of is how people without actual fact justify something they don't like or affects them on an emotional level so they try to mislead the conversation. So I will ask again, what is your proof that it is a rip of from a logical perspective? What has SE violated legally?

Note: There is a difference in an argument and debate.

Argument; an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.

Debate ; a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

I don't think my text can express anger so I would think this is a formal conversation.



Sooo how is this a rip off ? meaning = a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced. See what I mean by commercial law? It's a business practice that consumers feel it's unfair not a rip of.

It's basic membership, how it's run and experience varies based on player communities and participation. Ic an go trough sooo many links and areas to prove a point...however anymore than this would be wasted.

Cut scene; If you even think about it or even kept track of the forums you would have notice that many new players were complaining about speed runs on main story so that was SE answer to their feed back.

Housing Was work in progress, they open up new wards, and even change the rules to obtaining houses. Those who got them was do to their handwork and timing. Storage was given more options and more storage so not sure where your complain is maybe thinking old content and not read up on patch notes?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e139e9792abf/

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4942848db9539/

These are just few take some time to at least research things before giving people wrong ideas.

Mounts It makes sense to have some restrictions specially if other person does not have all currents or area does not allow that. hence each person would need their mount.

Dragoon quest line; huh? Seemed fine to me and even did secondary account I don't see that. What quest exactly?

Fishing & collectables: Sig is for SB and you have to be a certain level to get it. If it helps in past areas what is the issue?

Specialist souls for crafters, limited to 3 Well makes sense to keep the market balance and seek help along with player interaction. You can always change it at any point and get new soul stones no restrictions.

Macros,macros They can still be made and depending on your play style and device experience varies.

FC requirement for workshop? Personally I would love this to be a single person, however logically it makes sense that an FC would be more than one person. It can be done and that is why SE implemented new idead for housing as well as restrictions. Now if people won't help or can't get help sounds mole like a personal issue.

Zodiac to Anima glass You do realize you don't have to start all over and glass can be reissued? that is what happens when people don't read carefully or fail to read notes.

Based on your statements you seem to lack a lot of knowledge.

You trying to counter argument all i've said is kinda sad because, I can continue to say why what you typed isnt true IMO & so on so on,also would you like me to spoil dragoon & main storyline for others? I dont want to. You do enjoy trying to turn everything around in favor of the game so go ahead, keep doing that because

There is a lot more behind the scenes that this. Making it sound simple like this you have omitted many things. In simpler forms picture this. Your running multiple programs at once on one hard drive. For the sake of argument lets say player A is running operating system, itunes, discord, a web browser, anit virus, ect and FFXIV all in one HD.. Player B same thing with the exception he is running FFXIV on a separate HD. Which HD will give out first? Now picture this as information being transferred from servers and 1 million players accessing content at the same time, kind of the early release of an expansion. Anyone that has played early access and release dates have experience constant server stability is the worst at this point. Same issues people will complain and while people think they are special or should get priority they miss the point that severs and data is always fluctuating involving various factors. This server congestion can affect stability, not to mention everyone system can be effected differently. You can't expect a PC from 2002 to run the same as one from 2015. A 32bit system vs a 64 bit system, so no data can vary and display issues can vary. Instances were set up to help stability issues.

For loading information temp data storage on a system can also fluctuate based on settings such as anti virus or system maintenance settings. Storing Data is not the issue, it's how it communicates based on various factors.

You just did the same thing there again + yes all this is much easier than you make it sound, its a joke dealing with you.

ps: yes i said sad & then followed with joke later on so, sad joke i guess

[kikix12]

There is a lot more behind the scenes that this.

We're not talking here about technicalities, because we don't know them. What we know is that they send a LOT of data (because they said as much on their own), they cannot make a lot of things due to the increase in data sent (again, their own words) and inventory is sent every time you load an instance (once again, said by the developers).

I know for sure that transferring inventory data when that data won't be used is 100% pointless. That means that unless there is a reason for the game to use the data at the moment the instance is loading (doubtful...for what?!), there is 0% reason to transfer that data at that moment. Sending data "just in case" is not a valid reason. Especially not when the game suffers from major stability issues because it cannot keep up with the amount of data transferred!

Making it sound simple like this you have omitted many things.

There's nothing to omit. They, like every single developer out there, should aim to reduce amount of data transferred at any point as well as avoid burst data transfers at any times. Data should be transferred in a steady supply and/or as demanded. The first one is an optimum that allows for a streamlined running of the program, but increases the costs of running the servers and decreases the maximum amount of people that can use the service at any one time. On the other hand, it provides minimum stability issues and reduces the risk of bottlenecks. The latter provides the fastest load times and minimizes the data transferred, reducing random events (packet loss, hitting a bottleneck) by statistics, but if used to pack the servers as full as possible makes it possible for the servers to crash if at any one point a lot of users will suddenly make a similar demand by chance.

What we have now appears to be a constant stream of tons of data back and forth even if it is not used on top of burst data transfer at some points. Yeah, good going. You know what happens when a lot of computers keep sending data and request data?! Look at the results of any DDoS attack. That's what happens. And in this case, they are the ones doing it on themselves.

Your running multiple programs at once on one hard drive. For the sake of argument lets say player A is running operating system, itunes, discord, a web browser, anit virus, ect and FFXIV all in one HD.. Player B same thing with the exception he is running FFXIV on a separate HD. Which HD will give out first?

How is it remotely relevant?! I said to reduce the amount of data transferred by not transferring it when not in use and wherever possible to not discard it for the session but temporarily store in client-accessible memory (RAM and/or HDD). Using your completely missed analogy, I'm telling them to shut off that itunes, discord and web browser instead of keeping them on working on their servers.

We're not talking about clients side. If someone uses their internet connection for other features, that have nothing to do with the game. Everyone with half a brain will notice if turning voice chat will cause hiccups for them...And when they notice, they may decide whether to turn it off or not. However we have no ability to influence the data sent between client and server. That's only Square Enix can do. All we can do is turn it off completely (by turning the game off) or turn it on full-throttle (by turning it on).

This server congestion can affect stability, not to mention everyone system can be effected differently. You can't expect a PC from 2002 to run the same as one from 2015. A 32bit system vs a 64 bit system, so no data can vary and display issues can vary. Instances were set up to help stability issues.

Completely irrelevant. The clients computers have exactly zero impact on the development of the game and technical limitations of servers. They actually have zero impact on web transfers limitations, however at this point their internet connection (part of hardware) does have an effect. In nearly all cases, slimming down the amount of data transferred is going to come out positive overall however. The only time when slimming down is not going to have positive effects is if the connection is across a small distance and the transfer is entirely within the maximum transfer limitations of the connection at any and all times. Clearly that's NEVER the case for a world-wide MMO.

For loading information temp data storage on a system can also fluctuate based on settings such as anti virus or system maintenance settings. Storing Data is not the issue, it's how it communicates based on various factors.

Yet again completely irrelevant. If a computer have RAM and HDD they can be used. That's the case 100% of the time. That's how the game can even run in the first place. Otherwise the loader itself wouldn't even start and you'd be happy if you got an error message.
As for storing data you completely missed the point. If server sends to my computer the data for, lets say, my retainer, there are two ways to deal with it. That data is deleted once I close the retainer (or even when I move to the different functionality of a retainer) or it can be kept for future use. Now, if it's deleted, the server will need to send to my computer the data for that retainer AGAIN each and every time I open it. If it's stored?! No data needs to be sent. At all. And my HDD and RAM will always be faster than any internet connection, even the fiber from the building across. Why?! Because to receive the data from a different data drive (server) my computer needs to send the request, it needs to be processed by the server, the data needs to be collected from the servers data drive, it needs to be sent to me, it needs to be written in my RAM...and then we're at the point when it can be used at the earliest, but it's possible it will still need to be moved from my RAM to my HDD first due to its volume and RAM limitations. So yes, it will still end up on my HDD/RAM. So why not keep it on it in the first place?! The only time there is a need to send/receive data of a retainer is for updates, and only as far as those updates go. I take out an item from X slot of Y tab?! Send the message that I move item from X slot on Y tab to wherever I took it (market board, inventory, discard). No need to send all of the retainers data.

You may say that if it's stored on players side then it can be hacked to duplicate items and such. The solution to that is...well, there's no solution because there's no problem. Any attempt to "cheat" the game will be purely visual. If you add an item into a slot, it won't mean that it will be usable. Since that's an "update", the data will still be sent to the server that will see that the slot is empty. If you turn one item into another, once you use it you will still get the original items effect. We're only talking about storing the hefty visual/sound data on the computer, not the operative data which is still handled by the servers. It's effect is no different than making an overlay that covers the area you have chat with a black box. You'll see something that's not in the game that is in no way usable.

[Ruf]

We're not talking here about technicalities, because we don't know them.What we have now appears to be a constant stream of tons of data back and forth even if it is not used on top of burst data transfer at some points. Yeah, good going. You know what happens when a lot of computers keep sending data and request data?! Look at the results of any DDoS attack. That's what happens. And in this case, they are the ones doing it on themselves.

R r r r r r raw

[ManuelBravo]

You trying to counter argument all i've said is kinda sad because, I can continue to say why what you typed isnt true IMO & so on so on,alsowould you like me to spoil dragoon & main storyline for others? I dont want to. You do enjoy trying to turn everything around in favor of the game so go ahead, keep doing that because You just did the same thing there again + yes all this is much easier than you make it sound, its a joke dealing with you.

ps: yes i said sad & then followed with joke later on so, sad joke i guess

Did not ask for the story line just the Dragoon quest name.

So far all I've seen is information with nothing to back it up just a perspective from personal experience which even after responding to each point, even gave you links, you can't even prove otherwise. At a minimum you can understand that if your going to complain or have a concern at the very least have credit ability or build it up with some actual facts that can be proven or can't be contradicted. Repeating he same thing and still being questioned should have made that clear. Must be nice jumping from thread to thread thinking it has not been cover or proven wrong. So far not impressed, a joke? the only real joke is people who think they have an argument and can't even get their facts straight or prove their perspective so they get emotional. The hypocrisy of people claiming to not support a company yet are still here. That is a joke.

[Vstarstruck]

logical post

I am just telling you I support what you have to say and please don't give up trying to speak logic to blind defenders. We need posts like yours to give development team something to think about on how to improve the game without charging us extra just because of their bad coding. I have no issues with paying 20 or 30 EUR a month, if I see that much put into the game as far as effort and such, reskinning the same thing since ARR and not fixing coding problems from rushing out ARR however is not 30 EUR a month worth.

I won't be around for much longer but please don't give up

Did not ask for the story line just the Dragoon quest name.

So far all I've seen is information with nothing to back it up just a perspective from personal experience which even after responding to each point, even gave you links, you can't even prove otherwise. At a minimum you can understand that if your going to complain or have a concern at the very least have credit ability or build it up with some actual facts that can be proven or can't be contradicted. Repeating he same thing and still being questioned should have made that clear. Must be nice jumping from thread to thread thinking it has not been cover or proven wrong. So far not impressed, a joke? the only real joke is people who think they have an argument and can't even get their facts straight or prove their perspective so they get emotional. The hypocrisy of people claiming to not support a company yet are still here. That is a joke.

your non-existent logic is a joke. Way you are on my back to stop posting is borderline harassment too. Guess what? We are doing more to help support a company (giving advice or things to think about on how to improve) then what you are doing. The bold is your own hypocrisy, fyi. Funny how you can't properly debate with kikix12, that is the biggest joke here.

[Ruf]

Did not ask for the story line just the Dragoon quest name.

So far all I've seen is information with nothing to back it up just a perspective from personal experience which even after responding to each point, even gave you links, you can't even prove otherwise. At a minimum you can understand that if your going to complain or have a concern at the very least have credit ability or build it up with some actual facts that can be proven or can't be contradicted. Repeating he same thing and still being questioned should have made that clear. Must be nice jumping from thread to thread thinking it has not been cover or proven wrong. So far not impressed, a joke? the only real joke is people who think they have an argument and can't even get their facts straight or prove their perspective so they get emotional. The hypocrisy of people claiming to not support a company yet are still here. That is a joke.

FINE FFS ESTINIEN SHOULDNT BE THERE, YET ESTINIEN IS THERE. eat rodent cheese

Just as back up to my comment without going back to quests to tell you exact name & number,,, as there is probably multiple but: MSQ use estinien & so drg quests should be locked but no this game doesnt do this, yet in ffxi if an npc is stuck/gone in a mission or a quest, then in rhapsodies of vanadiel which is the game wrap up last expansion, well the quest or mission is locked untill the npc return home or wherever the eft it belongs.

AKA:Poor implementation, get real

[Ruf]

Also MB... I am not going to go back over the whole post ive done but

Fishing & collectables:while gathering with botany & miner for turn ins, to my knowledge while you can get optimal values with theses 2,fishing is a whole different story,
offhand tool could be great for more gathering & perception,yet,all we have is gig.

I said Gig G I G

Fishing & collectables: Sig is for SB and you have to be a certain level to get it. If it helps in past areas what is the issue?

???
Do you even know/understand what im talking about to begin with?
wth is that sentence even supposed to mean to begin with ?
Fishing & collectables:Sig is for SB and you have to be a certain level to get it. If it helps in past areas what is the issue??????
??? explaining things to you feels like a waste of my time thats for sure, im done

[Sigma-Astra]

I won't be around for much longer but please don't give up

Normally, when people quit games, they don't continue to post on the forum of said game that is making them unhappy and usually just...speak with their wallets and leave.

I mean, it's one thing to voice a complaint about something that is obviously making you unhappy and pulling your support from the franchise and leaving as a result because you no longer want to support the business or that you don't find entertainment value in its products anymore. It's another thing to state that you're leaving and then just continue to flame and bait people into responding towards your negativity with their own negativity.

It's like a vicious, never-ending cycle of hate.

[Vstarstruck]

negative post

And the reason for your post is to flame bait more? You are on my case because you think people should accept being ripped off? "normally" define normal, I am me, do not expect me to be a sheep. When my posting rights expire, they expire, but when people such as your self is being insulting, I am not going to stand in watch when I say say stop it.

The only one is flame baiting is you. You did so in my thread too, stop it.