The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[Okamimaru]

This.
The app is awful in what it offers pay or not pay

I'd say the MB/retainer/storage part is the part not worth it... I'm going to use the app myself for non gil making reasons like the chat... I think what people should take into consideration when it comes to the app and the "I already pay my sub" argument is that what you're paying for really is remote access to the game... I guess you could track down a psvita and remote play that way (with way more available to you gamewise) for 100+ bucks... personally I can't see paying for 9 retainers (cuz if you use the app for an extra retainer you are already at the retainer cap) and an app and the extra coins just to change prices and items on the MB when youll most likely get undercut by someone who's at home all day anyway... id actually like to see garden tending and chocobo training added to the free version...

[Remyogic]

Charging extra for this, is a basic game feature that should be base, suddenly calling it optional would be no different then saying you need pay 2 dollars a month to use glam, you need pay 3 dollars a month to go to the gold saucer.

I don't see this as a basic game feature and neither does SE, last I checked they are the ones who get to determine what is basic game feature and what is not. YOU calling it a basic game feature does not make it indisputably, factually so.

I have no problem if they STARTED glams and Gold Saucer as a pay feature. It's not like I'm sitting at work everyday, watching the clock saying "Come on 5'oclock!!! I gotta get home and progress my Gold Saucer!!!!!"

If they added features to the game for free, then later blocked them behind a paywall to continue using them, then I'd have issue. But a company, in a free market, deciding what the will and will not charge for. That's their right. Period.

[Deceptus]

Hmmmm 5 dollar and add 2 dollars for an extra slot....-.- what is there to argue, unfair to those who boycott this app? The world is already unfair...it's a business, people get over it. Optional label, micro transactions, does it really matter? In t he end we are the consumer, we have the power, we have choices...don't use it, through a tantrum and rage quit, in the end it means the same...our choice. Life is not fair so make it fair in your own way.

You're right. It is a business, but with that come expectations.

You go into a F2P model game knowing that it's going to be littered with micro transactions. All over the thing.

You go into a subscription based model MMO expecting your sub to pay for most everything the game offers. Like someone said before, you don't expect a subscription within the subscription. That has never happened before and that's why this is so jarring.

[ManuelBravo]

You're right. It is a business, but with that come expectations.You go into a F2P model game knowing that it's going to be littered with micro transactions. All over the thing.

You go into a subscription based model MMO expecting your sub to pay for most everything the game offers. Like someone said before, you don't expect a subscription within the subscription. That has never happened before and that's why this is so jarring.

Yes with the business comes the expectation that the whole reason this game was even manufacture was to make money. That is the number one reason for a business. It's common sense that business can use different tools at their disposal to make money. So like in many other threads... at the end of the day it's up to us to decide on OPTIONAL services. If it seems unfair..just ask your self these simple questions.

Are they or will they be making money?

Are they doing anything illegal?

Am I trowing a tantrum or being over dramatic being I will probably be a hypocrite and use it anyways? (harsh but true )

IF after these people still can't place two and two together, lets ask something else.

Will the game be effected in a way that I can't participate in it or be excluded from content outside of the main story line or expansion sets? if so how? ( would love to hear this one ) Will not having extra retainers or access outside of my PC / gaming console ruin my chances of enjoying this game or am I just being childish and feel it's unfair because other people can afford it?

We all pay subscriptions, some less than others do to legacy, so we all have the same options in one way or another.

As for subscription over a subscription their are several games that have had this in the past, people just refused to acknowledge it.

[Rokke]

You're right. It is a business, but with that come expectations.

You go into a F2P model game knowing that it's going to be littered with micro transactions. All over the thing.

You go into a subscription based model MMO expecting your sub to pay for most everything the game offers. Like someone said before, you don't expect a subscription within the subscription. That has never happened before and that's why this is so jarring.

People defending micro transactions are why the gaming industry is in the sad state it is today. "Its optional!!!!" until it isn't and we all suffer for it.

[Remyogic]

People defending micro transactions are why the gaming industry is in the sad state it is today. "Its optional!!!!" until it isn't and we all suffer for it.

At this moment, it is still optional. But, IF we ever get to the point that it isn't optional, you only suffer if you CHOOSE to. Honestly, if the game means so much to an individuals personal worth that they would classify not being able to play the game or something in it as "suffering".................ummm, ok.

[RiyahArp]

People defending micro transactions are why the gaming industry is in the sad state it is today. "Its optional!!!!" until it isn't and we all suffer for it.

They defended them a lot too when the western MMOs started rolling over to those models en masse in about 2007, and tbh it really didn't help them that much either. Probably all the changes to those games on the whole were a net negative; the larger ones would have survived anyways (liek Tor, LOTRO, etc) while the smaller ones died regardless if they converted (Fallen Earth.) It's just now you ended up paying more if you actually liked the game, probably double the monthly sub on average.

And these were western ones, Korean and Chinese MMOs seem to have gone off the deep end. Like no one even talks about the tons of high quality mmos that come here from Korea because usually the wallet warrior aspect is so high they can't retain ppl at endgame.

Then it just solidified with mobile making free + micro the model, and we are where we are. Really sucks, because the F2P games just drive most people out when they hit endgame; you literally can't afford to be competitive.

[Theodric]

People defending micro transactions are why the gaming industry is in the sad state it is today. "Its optional!!!!" until it isn't and we all suffer for it.

It doesn't even make sense, either. The whole 'businesses exist to make money' angle. Yes, they do - but that doesn't mean that profit at any cost should be justified. There's a reason why things are regulated heavily - if you cut corners with food, it's a health and sanitation risk. If you cut corners with a paid service, it's going to lead to problems later down the road and dissatisfied customers. If valid complaints are ignored, it may not result in big losses immediately but every scandal is a risk of being the straw that breaks the camel's back for a number of players.

I'd point to CD Projekt as one of the better modern game development studios. The Witcher 3 was a huge, richly detailed game with no dodgy micro-transactions and the DLC was very meaty and well worth the money. Sadly, this is the exception rather than the rule - so many other games have launched with the 'bare bones' and then charge extra for content that should have been there to begin with. FFXV is a glaring example. Key events weren't present in-game...you had to pay money to unlock and play through them later.

Dissidia NT also released in a very bare bones manner. I don't mind spending money on video-games. I do, however, expect it to be handled tastefully - adding more and more optional services when already charging for a subscription fee actually makes it worse than a F2P MMO in some ways, since they tend to be designed to accommodate such an approach from the get go and don't offer up any illusions that they're something that they aren't.

[ManuelBravo]

It doesn't even make sense, either. The whole 'businesses exist to make money' angle. Yes, they do - but that doesn't mean that profit at any cost should be justified. There's a reason why things are regulated heavily - if you cut corners with food, it's a health and sanitation risk. If you cut corners with a paid service, it's going to lead to problems later down the road and dissatisfied customers. If valid complaints are ignored, it may not result in big losses immediately but every scandal is a risk of being the straw that breaks the camel's back for a number of players.

Marketing wise if the app does not work they will email players about the change....not likely being people who complain will comeback on their on. I would love to see the app fee be waived for us Legacy members as an act of good faith their players since v1.0. If not oh well a few bucks won't killme would have spent ot on something stupid anyways.

[Remedi]

I'd point to CD Projekt as one of the better modern game development studios. The Witcher 3 was a huge, richly detailed game with no dodgy micro-transactions and the DLC was very meaty and well worth the money.

If you want to tackle the MT problem and use CD project red as an example of beign good please at least don't use the market nomeclature

Hearts of stone and Blood and wine were expansions not DLCs, the DLCs were the little bits that was added post launch of the game for free.
It really triggers me when ppl do this, CD project red always said those were expansions EXACTLY to combat the DLC practice, yet ppl follow it like sheep even when they combat it