The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[Vrankyl]

This all again, btw, has nothing to do wtih the app, as all that can do is change prices. You cant purchase from the MB, so you dont have the ability to buyout your competitors; only drive down prices.

This is actually wrong. You can indeed purchase items from the MB with the app through the use of the micro transaction moogle coins as stated on this slide:

[Ruf]

Sigh. Ok.

I have unlimited resources, I can keep undercutting my competition. As I UNDER CUT other players, people buy my stock. Who is benefitting? The avg mb user, me. I can keep undercutting, which drives prices down. Then what? My competition does the same, driving all prices down. Whos benefitting? The avg MB user. If prices get to low, Im losing value on teh stock I have in attempts to undercut, so is my competition. Lets say they jump the gun and really UC. I buy out there stock, then repost at higher prices. I now have command of the MB on that item and can charge whatever I would like.

Another competitor comes along and UCs me. We start the battle all over again. I have to drop my prices to theirs to make sales. I can buy out there stock and just horde infinitely, I guess. But Im the only one losing money on that.Cause there will always be other people who will cumulatively have more resources than me to keep posting to the MB. Having a horde of items does not mean Im 'rich'. And the longer I have those items, the more volitile they become statistically. Meaning, longer I horde those items, more likely the price will keep driving lower and lower.

Also, who cares if Junk items get you to 50 Mil. Youre an anecdote, and not necessarily the trend (if you were, then getting rich would be something everyone would do). I dont confirm your point, btw, by stating that you can gamble on hoarding items to make huge profits. I said that to illustrate there are isntances where that may occur, but that broadly speaking, its a bad business practice. Any inventory youre not moving is a loss on your ' business'. Hoarding is a bad strat overall, especially as item accessibility tends to increase over time.

This all again, btw, has nothing to do wtih the app, as all that can do is change prices. You cant purchase from the MB, so you dont have the ability to buyout your competitors; only drive down prices.

I dont confirm your point, btw

You said, that ppl get lower price, but its not necessarily true (sell an item for 1gil as you own 100 that's 1% of your income/sell an item for 1g as you own 1000 that is LESS than one percent) because the person that sold the raw material for cheap at start often is the one left stuck to overpay for what they want afterward as the cost is "in theory" more important to them with the capital they would have...,i never said I was the trend & making that 50M like that was part luck but mainly that still stand a fact + if the said initial seller sold the item for dirt cheap, what tells you that they will make good money later on? some players will literally go broke for a glamour & cut off the gils sink its a huge cycle & encouraging low prices of raw material is actually encouraging society to stay poor & under slavery by the power of money. You might not be able to buy with the app but it still "in theory give you a shot at faster sales" & faster money incoming can lead to faster reinvestment & so it goes back to timing once again.I dont care about none of that, its not game breaking to me to the point that I would stop playing for that but the app does give tremendous advantages by the sound of it. saddle bag & extra retainer would be highlight by the interaction & the mentality you are sharing with me... but nonetheless it gives faster sales options for x allowed time. if something is staying in demand forever, its all about what you do with it, I disapprove to your whales & avg user numbers, but well that's just me. all for one & one for all.

This is actually wrong. You can indeed purchase items from the MB with the app through the use of the micro transaction moogle coins as stated on this slide:

Sigh. Ok.

lol,Idk if its true or not, but personally I would find it rather dumb if they did let you put items for sales using virtual currency of the application but yet restrict you from purchasing with it. 1+1=ouch my head hurt maths are tough & while I do sarcasm, I actually like mathematics at times, I wish I was better with them...

[Jybril]

Then don't read them. It's your choice to do so. It would help to understand why you hate it rather than give a vague response,
ah just saw your update. Look I don't sugar coat things and these threads just keep appearing.

And here's Manuel, coming out the woodwork on this topic once again.
You just need to learn to hold a discussion without being mean.
As you say to Ruf, you have an option not to read or even respond to these posts.
You're wasting your time telling people "Good Riddance" and telling me in another thread that I lack common sense or some thing or another.
People are so damn sick of these microtransactions. I just agree to disagree on how you feel but you don't see me being rude.

[Vstarstruck]

If I was correct in my understanding, you cant make MB purchases from the App. Those who will do mass purchasing will already be logged into the game and monitoring the MB. The app in that case is not beneficial. It has no net effect (other than retainer space)

For the THIRD TIME NOW:

YO CANT sell items for free! it is a microtransaction!!!

BUYING is free, once per day only
If they change this one of 2 things can thank, these threads and posts and or SE's translation team being poor.

The app works like this
Free:
a currency called a kupo nut is given to you, this is used to ONLY buy items for free
the 5 dollar sub, gives to 2 of those^

Now there is a second pay element to this, though MICROTRANSACTIONS, you PAY with IRL money each time you want to BUY or SELL something off the MB, it is FLAT out Pay to WIN system when it comes to the MB. This is directly off the slides they shown us, if it ends up to be different, thank posts like those made by me and others, for that.

the retainers where already passing the line, the only question was how much each person generally accepted it and for the most part did not care. However with the app now, they are pushing P2W the MB way too far. Them rushing out ARR is not in our hands to pay extra for, I would love to go back in time and tell them take an extra 2-6 months to work on it. haste makes waste, FFXIV is a 5 year example why. HECK wasn't 1.0 problematic because THAT was rushed out too? Eureka? glam dresser? Gee i see a pattern.

To be fair hate for EA is not only born out of MTs and lootboxes (cept for late bloomers that just joined the bandvagon) it also stem from their want of essentially killing the competition, by buying other companies, stripping them to the bones and then closing them.
According to the bets Bioware are next in line

ik this, but do not forget, a DLC requiring a DLC, they had DLception, like our subception. (though the last retainer is funny, its a sub on top of a sub, on top of a sub, while being involved in microtransactions.)

lol,Idk if its true or not, but personally I would find it rather dumb if they did let you put items for sales using virtual currency of the application but yet restrict you from purchasing with it. 1+1=ouch my head hurt maths are tough & while I do sarcasm, I actually like mathematics are times, I ish I was better with them...

The 1+1 is for BUYING only, the IRL money micotranaction can do both.

Option [Webster's Dictionary]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/option

1) an act of choosing

2) the power or right to choose

3) something that may be chosen

As long as SE gives you a CHOICE in whether or not to pay the extra money. It qualifies as an OPTION. Thus, it is OPTIONAL CONTENT. The only way this would NOT qualify as optional is if they made the app and it's subscription mandatory in order to subscribe to and play the game.

As I've stated in other threads, just because you don't LIKE you choices, does NOT mean you don't have a choice.

*hands on face*
How did you miss the point? How? I will simplfy what was said in the post.
Charging extra for this, is a basic game feature that should be base, suddenly calling it optional would be no different then saying you need pay 2 dollars a month to use glam, you need pay 3 dollars a month to go to the gold saucer.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...if-it-continue

[Ayer2015]

I find it odd how people are responding in defense of these business practices. While for me its not something that will make me unsub, I don't disagree with the points the OP is making.

[Hestzhyen]

So, disregarding the semantics argument over whether or not this app is P2W...

I stopped my sub for the same reasons as OP. This isn't Pimp My Ride, where we should be excited to see subscriptions in our subscriptions. I paid a subscription to not have to deal with extra fees and microtransactions. Is this what I get for tolerating the Mog Station's existence? The chance to throw more of my money at the company for some basic features that should have been in the game from the start? I'd rather see a flat subscription fee increase than this slimy money grubbing trying to look innocuous because it only preys on the most hard-core market board users. They even have plans to expand it already if we tolerate it, that tells you exactly what the priority is- skate through on reputation and good-will while they invest more and more into "optional" shit that costs "a small fee" with "optional micro transactions" for full functionality. I pay to play the game and enjoy the content, not for the privilege of having more crap to spend money on.

In general I feel we've been getting the same or less while development resources have gone into stuff I either hate or have to pay extra to get full use of. Quit making dumb shit and put my money and your efforts back into making the game worth subbing for, SE.

And to the people who are defending this, great for you. The rest of us do have a problem and we at least want acknowledgement that SE knows we're unhappy. Expect to see more threads like this until we get a response of some kind.

[Deceptus]

I find it odd how people are responding in defense of these business practices. While for me its not something that will make me unsub, I don't disagree with the points the OP is making.

There are people who will defend anything SE puts out, or simply say "wait and see". Even though SE rarely changes direction.

[Vstarstruck]

So, disregarding the semantics argument over whether or not this app is P2W...

I stopped my sub for the same reasons as OP. This isn't Pimp My Ride, where we should be excited to see subscriptions in our subscriptions. I paid a subscription to not have to deal with extra fees and microtransactions. Is this what I get for tolerating the Mog Station's existence? The chance to throw more of my money at the company for some basic features that should have been in the game from the start? I'd rather see a flat subscription fee increase than this slimy money grubbing trying to look innocuous because it only preys on the most hard-core market board users. They even have plans to expand it already if we tolerate it, that tells you exactly what the priority is- skate through on reputation and good-will while they invest more and more into "optional" shit that costs "a small fee" with "optional micro transactions" for full functionality. I pay to play the game and enjoy the content, not for the privilege of having more crap to spend money on.

In general I feel we've been getting the same or less while development resources have gone into stuff I either hate or have to pay extra to get full use of. Quit making dumb shit and put my money and your efforts back into making the game worth subbing for, SE.

And to the people who are defending this, great for you. The rest of us do have a problem and we at least want acknowledgement that SE knows we're unhappy. Expect to see more threads like this until we get a response of some kind.

I would argue tolerating the extra subs on retainers, I think the slippery slope started with them. I doono how I feel about the mog station in general other then they are raising costs too high. It would been fine if the costs where reasonable.

12/10 for the hidden xzibit reference. I think I used it once and subception but ya >.>

I know I was attacked before for calling the retainer system P2W now and not then. I did not do it because I was "tolerating it" but still did not like it then. I thought it was only a temp thing to help fund long term fixes, not this slippery slope. I regret ever funding it now.

You might also like this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...if-it-continue

talking about the dangers of this route and what it can lead to now.

[Beckett]

common sense is a dying trait after all.

[Fredco191]

Can’t you stay for 4.3?