Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[Okamimaru]

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Not that confusing... I'm not arguing that buying gil is p2w... it's economy destroying... you might as well remove gil from the game... you flood a server with gil and the value of gil drops...which makes MB prices rise... which pushes more people to buy gil...
The cycle continues... you end up with people then RMT MB items because it ends up being cheaper than buying the gil to buy the item that way... I've seen it happen elsewhere... people demanding in game currency 10x and more beyond the players max currency cap for a single item... vs giving the seller 100 USD and just getting the item... SE won't even see it coming

[alimdia]

Sub tokens don't destroy the economy because no gil is being generated, it's just passing hands. The only effect it would have in the economy is that more people would participate in the market as gil would now have a good use.

[Rokke]

Not that confusing... I'm not arguing that buying gil is p2w... it's economy destroying... you might as well remove gil from the game... you flood a server with gil and the value of gil drops...which makes MB prices rise... which pushes more people to buy gil...
The cycle continues... you end up with people then RMT MB items because it ends up being cheaper than buying the gil to buy the item that way... I've seen it happen elsewhere... people demanding in game currency 10x and more beyond the players max currency cap for a single item... vs giving the seller 100 USD and just getting the item... SE won't even see it coming

Why bend over backwards to defend the app across multiple threads and draw the line here? Both have the potential to wreck the economy. Your arguments for the app say its ok because mb =/= winning the game. So whats your problem with selling gil? Why were you fine with the app wrecking the mb but why not this?

Quite frankly, I don’t want either implemented, but everyones flip flopping across the previous 17 pages boils down to “this one is ok because it won’t effect me significantly …b-but this one is bad dirty wrong (because it will effect me!!!)”. They're either both bad and you should hate both of them or they're both ok and you should be ok with both of them.

[Okamimaru]

The app really doesn't do much... the ability to spend more real money for another retainer? More storage space? To pay money to shuffle items around? Using the premium version is a rip off... that extra retainer only comes into play after someone has used up all the other retainers from.the mogstation... so that person already dumps a bunch of money into that... being able to manage your MB listing for real money remotely doesn't give advantage over other MB users who sit at home all day and truely can "run the board"... people who are gonna abuse the MB will do it regardless of this app... any "advantages" gained will be by people who are already miles ahead in terms of MB manipulation... the economy has already adjusted to people using 8 retainers.. one more is a drop in the ocean... prices will drop in a price slashing race if anything vs flooding a server with gil and all prices skyrocket because gil is far more available than items

[Ruf]

The app really doesn't do much... the ability to spend more real money for another retainer? More storage space? To pay money to shuffle items around? Using the premium version is a rip off... that extra retainer only comes into play after someone has used up all the other retainers from.the mogstation... so that person already dumps a bunch of money into that... being able to manage your MB listing for real money remotely doesn't give advantage over other MB users who sit at home all day and truely can "run the board"... people who are gonna abuse the MB will do it regardless of this app... any "advantages" gained will be by people who are already miles ahead in terms of MB manipulation... the economy has already adjusted to people using 8 retainers.. one more is a drop in the ocean... prices will drop in a price slashing race if anything vs flooding a server with gil and all prices skyrocket because gil is far more available than items

Actually this is all the same, mog station cosmetic purchasing, extra retainer, the moogle coins application, HW lv.60 jump/300/600k gils potion, its already there & at first sight its getting worst, make up your mind buddy.

[Rokke]

one more is a drop in the ocean... prices will drop in a price slashing race if anything vs flooding a server with gil and all prices skyrocket because gil is far more available than items

“this one is ok because it won’t effect me significantly …b-but this one is bad dirty wrong (because it will effect me!!!)”.

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[Berethos]

Do you know what would counter inflation? Allowing people to buy extra retainers with gil and giving more gil sinks. Or even letting people buy fantasias from a vendor for like 10million. Inflation would shrink.

Also, the biggest cause of inflation is all them damn robots Square-Enix didn't even put on the list of notable offenses. Sure RMT was on there, but not botting...

WoW has numerous very expensive items that are purely for vanity or minor convenience, and even uses a "Black Market AH" with rare items that sometimes come from no other source and go for hundreds of thousands of gold...

Inflation is still an issue that got and stayed worse after they released the tokens. It doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does.

[Berethos]

Sub tokens don't destroy the economy because no gil is being generated, it's just passing hands. The only effect it would have in the economy is that more people would participate in the market as gil would now have a good use.

That's a nice theory, but I've seen how silly the prices have gotten on servers for things as simple as low level materials that are easier to gather, or even mid-30s greens (I checked a few minutes ago since I'm currently subbed to that game as well, and the price for a level 40 green plate piece was like 400g), because of the impact the token price has had on players trying to afford it...and that's in a game where the in-game currency is typically generated as a faster rate than what you see here (more sources that generate new gold).

It may not destroy it, but it absolutely has an impact. Certainly a greater impact than being able to re-list/change a price when you're not at your computer.

That being said, that's because they use a supply/demand algorithm for their tokens, which has led to the price of tokens going from 36k or so (approx 3 million gil for us) to 190k in the US (and it's nearly double that in the EU...same game, same gold sources, prices that high...yikes). A static conversion - always 15 dollars, always costs X gil in-game, might be a working counter (I don't see gil rewards/sources increasing nearly as much in this game as they do in others, limiting the generation of new gil in the economy).

[Ayer2015]

I find the term pw2 odd. I mean... what are you winning really? PvP is the only competitive game mode, and its gear is standardized.
gil in FF14 is largely worthless unless you want to buy a house.

[Remedi]

I find the term pw2 odd. I mean... what are you winning really? PvP is the only competitive game mode, and its gear is standardized.
gil in FF14 is largely worthless unless you want to buy a house.

The term imho has been broaded too much that is now used to literally describe a small advantage even in a non competitive setting.
Which frankly I find it problematic, generalizing something too much doesn't really ends well, it also leads to a loss of impact of a word