All Greed on Alliance loot

[Nestama]

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It depends from player to player. When I do Rabanastre (and other raids), I already only Greed on anything I can roll on (and will likely do the same for Pharos at Ridorana... but only for Caster/Striking gear and it depends on the stats), as I either already have Savage gear, Mendacity gear and/or Anemos gear for the Job I'm gearing up (didn't take long for me to gear up my alt, which has now become my main). Assuming Eureka Pagos will continue upgrading armour, I imagine those will cap at i360... or maybe i370? That'll certainly make Ridorana gear seem irrelevant a month after release (though people will still have to run it and Rabanastre for the coins).

It's because of my assumption with Eureka Pagos that I'm just sitting in the 'don't really care' camp.

[Dzian]

Not really. Is one of those things that make sense for Japan. They use their mains to don't drag parties so for them is a good thing because everyone is putting the same amount of effort (at least most of the time).

That's contradictory though. Because if they always play there main and thus best geared job to not drag groups down why bother gearing an alt you will never play because your main will always be better geared and thus always the one you play..

But to be honest I thought the reason 24mans had such low difficulty settingscwas because players typically used alt jobs in them

[Reinha]

That's contradictory though. Because if they always play there main and thus best geared job to not drag groups down why bother gearing an alt you will never play because your main will always be better geared and thus always the one you play..

People might play their alts when doing dailies, hunts or maps if bringing their main isn't as efficient. For those times it's nice to not have just 290 job gear. Retainers may not be the same job as your main and of course we need to gear every job in preparation for the next level cap increase as well.

[TristanBlane]

WHAT I DONT GET IS if you want to gear alts you can EASILY do that with dungeon gear??? If its a job you don't regularly play you can easily farm efficient gear in the most recent dungeon and that's that. If its a alt job you are competent in and that you like to play you can easily run the 24 man with this. For me, I main healer so I if I like the new healer gear as a glamour I'll farm it first, and then my second main is SMN so I'll run as a SMN to get my caster gear, because its a alt job I play and can play efficiently. Other jobs that I don't play often but I wanna gear up I will do so with dungeon gear or cheap tome gear BECAUSE WHEN AM I EVEN GOING TO PLAY IT BESIDES AN OCCASIONAL DUNGEON RUN OR SO?????? Like what the heck, the raid gear is locked weekly this would be so dumb. Ugh, and those 24 mans can take forever to finish AND the rng is terrible. I hope they take all that into consideration.

[Vstarstruck]

It depends from player to player. When I do Rabanastre (and other raids), I already only Greed on anything I can roll on (and will likely do the same for Pharos at Ridorana... but only for Caster/Striking gear and it depends on the stats), as I either already have Savage gear, Mendacity gear and/or Anemos gear for the Job I'm gearing up (didn't take long for me to gear up my alt, which has now become my main). Assuming Eureka Pagos will continue upgrading armour, I imaginethose will cap at i360... or maybe i370? That'll certainly make Ridorana gear seem irrelevant a month after release (though people will still have to run it and Rabanastre for the coins).

It's because of my assumption with Eureka Pagos that I'm just sitting in the 'don't really care' camp.

This does not address anything I said.
1. System currently (to be outdated in 4.3) is easier to gear alt jobs then the proposed 4.3 changes. reason? Because of the weekly lock out. if a healer or w/e does not need on the item, it is free to go with 6/5/3 (or w/e people) with the proposed greed wide, winning is less likely

For outdated content, you go the job you need the glam for, to actually win something vs people botting greed for seals.

2. Proof of Japanese playerbase asking for this

How do we know the development team is making this change just because they feel it is better? There is no benefit to this change what so ever. The development team is so out of touch of the user base they might as well be on mars.

[Squintina]

This does not address anything I said.
1. System currently (to be outdated in 4.3) is easier to gear alt jobs then the proposed 4.3 changes. reason? Because of the weekly lock out. if a healer or w/e does not need on the item, it is free to go with 6/5/3 (or w/e people) with the proposed greed wide, winning is less likely

For outdated content, you go the job you need the glam for, to actually win something vs people botting greed for seals.

2. Proof of Japanese playerbase asking for this

How do we know the development team is making this change just because they feel it is better? There is no benefit to this change what so ever. The development team is so out of touch of the user base they might as well be on mars.

Actually it's in the Digest.

We’re planning to set the loot rule for all alliance raids to “Greed Only” starting in Patch 4.3. We originally intended the alliance raid rewards to be a means for players to obtain gear for their secondary jobs; however, it is difficult for players to participate on these other jobs while wearing lower item level gear. This leads to many simply having to go as their main jobs which makes them unable to hit Need on the items they really wanted, resulting in needing to run the content multiple times. To resolve this issue, we have decided to limit the loot rule to “Greed Only,” making it possible for players to join as their main jobs, while being able to obtain gear for their secondary jobs.

With that said, we will be reading over community feedback when deciding if we will continue this approach or not in the future.

And reading that it does seem to match what I heard about JP.

[Aylis]

Just... why? If people want to get gear on their sub jobs they should run it on that class. Why should everyone suffer because some people don't want to run it on the class they are trying to get loot for? I really don't understand the choices they make sometimes and I hope they don't implement this.

Too many people complained about players using Need for drops to use for glamor or allied seals or retainer equipment over players that needed the gear for upgrades. I can't even bring myself to be mad anymore. Those players asked SE to fix the problem. They did in the only way they could without changing more of the game. It stinks but this is a good lesson in why its not always a good idea to ask a company to fix community created problems.

People wanted fair, they got fair now.

[Remedi]

Too many people complained about players using Need for drops to use for glamor or allied seals or retainer equipment over players that needed the gear for upgrades. I can't even bring myself to be mad anymore. Those players asked SE to fix the problem. They did in the only way they could without changing more of the game. It stinks but this is a good lesson in why its not always a good idea to ask a company to fix community created problems.

People wanted fair, they got fair now.

Housing reclamation, gordias savage, MSQ dungeons forced cutscenes the list goes on but we end up forgetting our hands in it

[SicariusSeven]

It's clear by this thread alone that the idea of greed only is terrible. Utterly terrible. If this goes live then SE is going to be kicking themselves when Alliance Raid queues go down the tubes.

[347SPECTRE]

Housing reclamation, gordias savage, MSQ dungeons forced cutscenes the list goes on but we end up forgetting our hands in it

I don't remember seeing anyone complaining about getting loot from alliance raids. But with this change in the works, we definitely will.