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  1. #81
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    Shihen's Avatar
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    Holy Orders
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Veliena View Post
    If you cannot devote time to a game, don't play it, but don't ask for something to be done to the game that makes it so you can get what you want at the cost of everyone else.
    I mean, there's a difference between not wanting to devote time and not wanting to waste time. Not wanting to faff around in Mist or whatever for 20 minutes while waiting for a dungeon doesn't mean the person shouldn't be playing the game, imo it means the game should have more appealing options. Because like really, what is there to do in-game that you do because it's legitimately fun and not because it's part of the current tier's to-do list? And how many of those things can you do while in queue for duty finder? I don't know about anyone else, but there are no activities on that list for me.

    DPS should expect longer queue times, certainly, but 20 minutes isn't really acceptable. Imo the game needs to adopt a 1-1-3 role distribution setup for light parties and scale up dungeon mob health to match.
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  2. #82
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    Veliena's Avatar
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    Alicen Mason
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    Goblin
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Shihen View Post
    I mean, there's a difference between not wanting to devote time and not wanting to waste time. Not wanting to faff around in Mist or whatever for 20 minutes while waiting for a dungeon doesn't mean the person shouldn't be playing the game, imo it means the game should have more appealing options. Because like really, what is there to do in-game that you do because it's legitimately fun and not because it's part of the current tier's to-do list? And how many of those things can you do while in queue for duty finder? I don't know about anyone else, but there are no activities on that list for me.

    DPS should expect longer queue times, certainly, but 20 minutes isn't really acceptable. Imo the game needs to adopt a 1-1-3 role distribution setup for light parties and scale up dungeon mob health to match.
    I do agree with some of this.The 4 player light 8 player full party is an issue, but simply adding another dps slot into the mix will not lower queue times. There isn't much a developer can do to fix the lack of tanks/heals. Tanks and heals cannot hide a mistake easily, a dps can, unless they outright die, especially in 14 where there are no official dps parsers. Players don't want to be told they mess up, and some become quite upset if you do point something out. As long as this is the case, which will likely be forever, there will always be a lack of tanks and heals, compared to dps. Dps is just the "safer" option to many players.
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    Last edited by Veliena; 04-20-2018 at 04:16 AM.

  3. #83
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    Vstarstruck's Avatar
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    Beastmistress Milk
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    I refuse to fund this practice in any shape or form, not only did I pull my FFXIV sub (and will be unable to post soon as a result) I have pulled my FFXI subs as well, if they keep down this path and follow the likes of EA and so on, they can get a complete boycott for me. It saddens me that this is happening to franchise I personally love, and thought It would do good to make one more thread explaining why it is so bad (esp when the video I was shown reminded me of this situation so much) to make an app like they are doing with attaching those fees on it.
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  4. #84
    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    I refuse to fund this practice in any shape or form, not only did I pull my FFXIV sub (and will be unable to post soon as a result) I have pulled my FFXI subs as well, if they keep down this path and follow the likes of EA and so on, they can get a complete boycott for me. It saddens me that this is happening to franchise I personally love, and thought It would do good to make one more thread explaining why it is so bad (esp when the video I was shown reminded me of this situation so much) to make an app like they are doing with attaching those fees on it.
    Before you know it we will see you back again. Few months go by will probably re sub and just change name. Good luck in your boycotting hopefully you make a difference. -.-/...Just like many who have claimed to leave see them back every expansion for the most part.
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  5. #85
    Player Okamimaru's Avatar
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    Rastiana Bel'briar
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    Malboro
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    Before you know it we will see you back again. Few months go by will probably re sub and just change name. Good luck in your boycotting hopefully you make a difference. -.-/
    But first they gotta post a billion quitting threads...
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  6. #86
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    Altria Pendragons
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    Leviathan
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    Before you know it we will see you back again. Few months go by will probably re sub and just change name. Good luck in your boycotting hopefully you make a difference. -.-/...Just like many who have claimed to leave see them back every expansion for the most part.
    I don't think he needs to.
    This looks like his forum post account.
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  7. #87
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    Coratanni's Avatar
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    Whispering Whiskers
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    Goblin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Okamimaru View Post
    But first they gotta post a billion quitting threads...
    It is a cry for attention for some people. I have never made a thread about leaving something and I never will.
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  8. #88
    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I don't think he needs to.
    This looks like his forum post account.
    Have met some people I use top play with, they take the info from your character and can be updated. Many claim they quit, and are back a bit later with a different name. it's not hard to spot them if you know what to look for.
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  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    Before you know it we will see you back again. Few months go by will probably re sub and just change name. Good luck in your boycotting hopefully you make a difference. -.-/...Just like many who have claimed to leave see them back every expansion for the most part.
    if SE turns a leaf sure
    but for now, this is where we part ways
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  10. #90
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    Zojha's Avatar
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Pandaemonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliena View Post
    Tanks and heals cannot hide a mistake easily, a dps can [...]
    I honestly don't think that matters. You can play any game where mistakes of DPS are blatantly obvious, people still prefer DPS. You can go and play games where DPS have a bigger responsibility, DPS are still the most popular.

    And truth be told? DPS is just the natural mode to play combat games. Most games revolve around killing stuff, not trying to hold mobs off other people as living bait or healing injured people. And the way to do that? Dealing damage. You'll find that throughout all the genres, from turret defense, over shooters, RPGs, Bullet Hell games, strategy games, fighting games etc etc. Even some "healing" games have you achieve your goal by dealing damage to germs. It's rather natural people gravitate towards that.

    Some indie game devs seem to have realized, I just recently saw "Healer's Quest" on Steam, which seems to be all about breaking that up by progressing "without" dealing damage - Though your "party members" still do, as per usual. Kinda a necessity, as without damage, no damage to undo, i.e. no healing. It's not exactly a common type of game, tho', more of a parody.
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    Last edited by Zojha; 04-20-2018 at 05:26 AM.

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