Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[Vstarstruck]

So basically, even in the event when I showed you some humility, explained that I didn't agree, and then said that you were still valid, you continue to push on and on with this need to feel like you are superior and 100% in the right? So because I won't change my opinion, I am 100% in the wrong? I pretty much told you that I stopped looking after a certain point, hence why I said 'you are correct'. But for reasons, I guess, that's just not enough. Again, I don't view the retainer situation as P2W. But that's just my opinion. If you still take issue with that, even though I'm not necessarily arguing that point to you right now, then I don't know what else to say.

Then you do not view selling stat potions as P2W, how would you feel if SE started doing that? Using moogle coins for stat boosts? Because the same logic is applied to stat potions as retainers, If you are willing to admit that, then it is fine I guess. i just do not like the moving goalpost theme your showing (and my earlier post explained why that was, something you did not comment on). I am a bit confused why you did not comment on the main point and this off tangent about agreeing or disagreeing.

How about this? can you explain how stat potions is P2W and what SE is doing with this app and selling MB space isn't? Because as far as I explained, something you did not comment on, your logic fits both how both fit P2W or not P2W, basically you have to view both as P2W or both not P2W, as I used your own argument to apply that concept.

Buying item from NPC then list on the market board is not an advantage.
You are basically sell npc items to lazy people and heavily depending on the demand when supply is infinite.
It doesn't mean you know how to manipulate the market.
You are going to have hard time to repeat the trick once the house rush is over.
This is why you are in your current situation, paying for retainer for market slot but demand is no longer there.

you get to list more at once,, even in your example, someone doing the same is you but doing it to more items, is having a PtW advantage over you, so what you got 40 M doing it? someone using 10 retainers can make that 100M or more.

[ManuelBravo]

If gil is easy and value-less then we should allow people to trade it for real-life American dollars.

Your missing the whole point. We already have the cash shop the only reason SE does not allow RTM is do to the economical balance add unfairness it could bring. NPC items are great for de-synth and some materials ( depending on your level of laziness ) So SE did the cash shop for certain exclusive items that will not effective on a global scale. IF they did that I would think that they would make it really hard. Example purchases of $100 and low amounts, monitored every gill transaction to ensure is SE only and not a third party, band those that receive and buy otherwise. So unless your a spoiled brat or people can afford it it would not effect it at a large scale. See how fast that stops. I mean this is not some cheap game like WOW, although I'm sure blizzard is making a nice mint by all those desperate enough.

[Okamimaru]

But that doesn't change the fact that I made probably 300 million in one week selling furniture while probably stealing everyone else's furniture market simply because I had unfair advantage provide by real-life money (8 retainers). Now if that isn't pay to win--I don't know what is.

you obviously DON'T know what pay to win is... what exactly did you "win"? You got gil... I got gil too... what advantage did you gain over me? You paid real money to have a chance at making in game money... seems like I am the bigger winner... I only paid my sub while you threw money at SE for literally NO advantage other than saving time... I pay to play you apparently pay to not play... if wasting real money is how you define winning I'll stay a happy loser...

[Zsolen]

you obviously DON'T know what pay to win is... what exactly did you "win"? You got gil... I got gil too... what advantage did you gain over me? You paid real money to have a chance at making in game money... seems like I am the bigger winner... I only paid my sub while you threw money at SE for literally NO advantage other than saving time... I pay to play you apparently pay to not play... if wasting real money is how you define winning I'll stay a happy loser...

Someone clears savage once a week... I buy the savage gear. All good. The end.

[JackHatchet]

If you don't see gil is pay to win then you clearly agree with my OP message. Which is to allow gil buying with dollars.

[Vstarstruck]

you obviously DON'T know what pay to win is... what exactly did you "win"? You got gil... I got gil too... what advantage did you gain over me? You paid real money to have a chance at making in game money... seems like I am the bigger winner... I only paid my sub while you threw money at SE for literally NO advantage other than saving time... I pay to play you apparently pay to not play... if wasting real money is how you define winning I'll stay a happy loser...

you obviously DON'T know what pay to win is, what exactly are you auguring what would be pay to win? It is savage? memorizing a script? paying someone for those mounts and 7 others that's now how to do that script just because you can't find 7 others to continuously static with? To me there is no "winning" for savage, but staying on top of the MB and manipulating markets or even fully controlling it, that is the true endgame, though I do find fully controlling a MB scummy.

If you don't see gil is pay to win then you clearly agree with my OP message. Which is to allow gil buying with dollars.

This^

So what is wrong with letting SE have gil in the mog station now? hyper inflation? but gil does not matter, it does not win anything so who cares

[Okamimaru]

Someone clears savage once a week... I buy the savage gear. All good. The end.

Buying clears isn't an advantage... unless you mean actually buying savage gears from someone which isn't possible... if I can already clear content without needing to pay for it i say the advantage is mine...

[Zsolen]

Buying clears isn't an advantage... unless you mean actually buying savage gears from someone which isn't possible... if I can already clear content without needing to pay for it i say the advantage is mine...

So clearly you don't raid, or you would never make that statement. Clearly you don't craft or gather for trade purposes, or you never would have made a previous statement. When you are taking anything achievement related out of the game, whether it is the log itself or something outside of it, you are making it play to win. Even the level boost was pushing boundaries.

[Okamimaru]

you obviously DON'T know what pay to win is, what exactly are you auguring what would be pay to win?

Simply put: no competition= no winning= no pay to win... if you could pk other players, or had guild wars, or if hunts dropped ultra rare items that only the person who did the most damage got and the BiS gears came from the mogstation... that's pay to win... gil only lets you save time... it's a convenience...

[Narmo]

Hello~

I think SE should give us unlimited gils since we pay for a subscription.