Please add more Water to WHM’s identity

[Valmaxian]

Flood! Also, (and I doubt they'd ever do this, but...) it would be interesting if they implemented elemental resistances/weaknesses (ex: Flare and Flood add water resistance debuffs in FF Brave Exvius). That would add synergy for White/Black mages. Obviously it could create a balance nightmare, but elemental weaknesses have always been a part of FF, and it could introduce very interesting new fight mechanics. Perhaps if they did something similar for unaspected casters...

[DrWho2010]

Flood! Also, (and I doubt they'd ever do this, but...) it would be interesting if they implemented elemental resistances/weaknesses (ex: Flare and Flood add water resistance debuffs in FF Brave Exvius)...

they specifically did not make it a thing (hence why blm using fire on Ifrit does damage to him), and they just removed the elemental char stuff from the game entirely. I don't think they'll be putting it back anytime soon.

[MartaDemireux]

Assize, Asylum, Divine Benison, and Plenary Indulgence are all water I believe but more water spells wouldn’t hurt

Asylum appears like it could potentially be water based but the rest look decidedly astral aligned (light magic from other FFs) to me so I’m inclined to believe it is as well.

Flood! Perhaps if they did something similar for unaspected casters...

Well, they kind of do this with SMN and Ruin. Tri-Disaster makes an enemy weak to Ruin spells. In this game however, this is the only way to accomplish this - it would have to be a self buff. Freeze could add a fire damage taken buff for example. Elemental affinities have been moved to Eureka where they will likely stay otherwise.

The class abilities do that now, but original lore - and the way it was back in 1.0 - was that Conjury used all the six elements (Air, Earth, Water, Lightning, Fire, Ice) while Thaumaturgy used Astral and Umbral energies

Note also that White Magic is not really "advanced conjury" - it is a separate magical school that in many ways work differently than conjury.
Same with Black Magic and thaumaturgy.

I definitely do remember that. Having all 6 elements felt very cluttered. I was happy for the split overall.

While White and Black Magic are their own schools, it should definitely be recognized that WHMs and BLMs do continue to strengthen and expand upon their CNJ and THM roots (as a character). Stone IV, Aero III, Fire IV, Blizzard IV and Thunder IV are all examples of this. They’re not Black or White Magic but advanced Conjury and Thaumaturgy because while you can take the WHM/BLM out of CNJ/THM, you can’t take the CNJ/THM out of WHM/BLM.

[Canadane]

hence why blm using fire on Ifrit does damage to him

I remember in 1.0 when Fire healed Ifrit.
Good times...

[Shouko]

Flood! Also, (and I doubt they'd ever do this, but...) it would be interesting if they implemented elemental resistances/weaknesses (ex: Flare and Flood add water resistance debuffs in FF Brave Exvius). That would add synergy for White/Black mages. Obviously it could create a balance nightmare, but elemental weaknesses have always been a part of FF, and it could introduce very interesting new fight mechanics. Perhaps if they did something similar for unaspected casters...

They could but they won't, clearly they don't have any desire other than what the mobs are able to do and even then it's just counted as unspecified itself since there's no actual resistances, def and dmg only come into play via the wheel in Eureka sadly.

Just my 2 gil here, but isn't WHMs identity supposed to be either Holy, or nature in general?

No holy in the game, it's just elemental based, aka Earth, Air (healing, wind spells) Water, the elements are part of nature.

[NewAgeDoom]

They could but they won't, clearly they don't have any desire other than what the mobs are able to do and even then it's just counted as unspecified itself since there's no actual resistances, def and dmg only come into play via the wheel in Eureka sadly.



No holy in the game, it's just elemental based, aka Earth, Air (healing, wind spells) Water, the elements are part of nature.

...Isn't there a spell LITERALLY called Holy though?

[Shouko]

...Isn't there a spell LITERALLY called Holy though?

Yeah in this case it's just unspecified damage, aka non "holy" magic, think of most of the spells in the game as glamored unspecified damage into the element or type. It has no impact on doing double damage or whatever to voidal mobs or undead, just like lightning won't do more to water or water to fire.

[MartaDemireux]

Yeah in this case it's just unspecified damage, aka non "holy" magic, think of most of the spells in the game as glamored unspecified damage into the element or type. It has no impact on doing double damage or whatever to voidal mobs or undead, just like lightning won't do more to water or water to fire.

Holy is an element, lorewise. It’s known as Astral (opposed to Umbral). “Holy spells/magic,” “light magic,” “white magic” are all synonymous terms to describe spells and abilities like Holy, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Divine Benison etc.

The casting animation is almost always unaspected, as seen in Ruin, Gravity and seen in WHM as Holy. However, the (WHM) spells from a lore point are decidedly astral aligned.

[Shouko]

Holy is an element, lorewise. It’s known as Astral (opposed to Umbral). “Holy spells/magic,” “light magic,” “white magic” are all synonymous terms to describe spells and abilities like Holy, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Divine Benison etc.

The casting animation is almost always unaspected, as seen in Ruin, Gravity and seen in WHM as Holy. However, the spells from a lore point are decidedly astral aligned.

Good for lore, not talking about lore, talking purely from mechanics.

[MartaDemireux]

Good for lore, not talking about lore, talking purely from mechanics.

You replied to a lore-related comment with a comment about mechanics. Everyone knows every spell deals damage unrelated to its assigned element and is purely based on Magic Attack versus Magic Defense. You can see why I was confused by you saying the element doesn’t exist when it does.