Please add more Water to WHM’s identity

[MartaDemireux]

Yeah in this case it's just unspecified damage, aka non "holy" magic, think of most of the spells in the game as glamored unspecified damage into the element or type. It has no impact on doing double damage or whatever to voidal mobs or undead, just like lightning won't do more to water or water to fire.

Holy is an element, lorewise. It’s known as Astral (opposed to Umbral). “Holy spells/magic,” “light magic,” “white magic” are all synonymous terms to describe spells and abilities like Holy, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Divine Benison etc.

The casting animation is almost always unaspected, as seen in Ruin, Gravity and seen in WHM as Holy. However, the (WHM) spells from a lore point are decidedly astral aligned.

[Shurrikhan]

Yeah in this case it's just unspecified damage, aka non "holy" magic, think of most of the spells in the game as glamored unspecified damage into the element or type. It has no impact on doing double damage or whatever to voidal mobs or undead, just like lightning won't do more to water or water to fire.

Then by that logic, there aren't any of the spell types you say Holy was sacrificed to make room for, either...

There is literally only Magical and Physical (and therein Slashing, Piercing, and Blunt as sub-categories) damage.

[MistakeNot]

I feel as though Fluid Aura is just not enough, especially now that it doesn’t deal damage.

Conjury focuses on the elements of Air, Earth and Water, while thaumaturgy focusing on those of Lightning, Fire and Ice.

The class abilities do that now, but original lore - and the way it was back in 1.0 - was that Conjury used all the six elements (Air, Earth, Water, Lightning, Fire, Ice) while Thaumaturgy used Astral and Umbral energies

This has partly been ret-conned since then - making the surrounding lore less coherent than it used to be.


Note also that White Magic is not really "advanced conjury" - it is a separate magical school that in many ways work differently than conjury.
Same with Black Magic and thaumaturgy.

[Ordoric]

in 1.0 cnj was more black magie of the 2 and thm was the better healer

[MartaDemireux]

in 1.0 cnj was more black magie of the 2 and thm was the better healer

To be fair THM was also the best tank/soloist lol. Much and more has changed since those days!

[Shurrikhan]

The class abilities do that now, but original lore - and the way it was back in 1.0 - was that Conjury used all the six elements (Air, Earth, Water, Lightning, Fire, Ice) while Thaumaturgy used Astral and Umbral energies

This has partly been ret-conned since then - making the surrounding lore less coherent than it used to be.


Note also that White Magic is not really "advanced conjury" - it is a separate magical school that in many ways work differently than conjury.
Same with Black Magic and thaumaturgy.

This. Black Magic draws from elemental inference, if I recall the term correctly -- sort of the shades or draw of magic as a whole on the part of the raw elements while White Mage is about those energies invested in actual souls -- which is a bit ironic, given that Conjury is originally all about the relationship with and between the elements, while Thaumaturgy was originally about soul-bound or -binding magics or literally "miracle-making".

[Jukebox12]

Do we really want another war of magi

[NewAgeDoom]

Just my 2 gil here, but isn't WHMs identity supposed to be either Holy, or nature in general?

[MartaDemireux]

Just my 2 gil here, but isn't WHMs identity supposed to be either Holy, or nature in general?

Yup a mixture of those. And Water fits that very well and is otherwise missing. Thematically earth allows for life (plants) to grow but only should water nourish and wind spread the seeds. Holy (astral/white magic) spells deal with light, life and protection, the same concept as the great bole (tree) and harmonizes with that of the conjurer’s 3 elements.

Fluid Aura is the one, no-doubt-about-it water spell for WHM and is extremely rarely used. I personally only use it in Eureka or if there is a stray caster on a group pull to push it where it belongs. The second reason is why its use (with no element attached and a new name/animation) would make for a better Role Ability (all healers should be able to knock a stray back to the group).

[Gemina]

Fluid Aura is the one, no-doubt-about-it water spell for WHM and is extremely rarely used. I personally only use it in Eureka or if there is a stray caster on a group pull to push it where it belongs. The second reason is why its use (with no element attached and a new name/animation) would make for a better Role Ability (all healers should be able to knock a stray back to the group).

Agreed! I like that WHM with Rescue can draw in an ally, and with Fluid Aura, push an enemy away and also bind them. It's a very godly feeling. It would be great if the other two healers had knockback abilities as well. It could easily replace Break as a role skill. Though WHMs might gripe that yet another ability was taken from them and placed in the RS list. Might be better to give SCH and AST their own versions of knockback abilities.