tiny female armors!

[ko_]

CONAN!!!! The ADVENTURER!!! CONAN!!! Warrior without fear! CONAN! THE MIGHTEST WARRIOR EVER! HIS QUEST. to undo the spell of living stone cast upon his family by driving the evil serpent men back into another dimension and vanquishing their leader, the cruel wizard Wrath-A-Mon.

[Lilseph]

Yeah, but Conan wasn't a tank. He was a barbarian. If you ever played games like D&D, you will know that barbarians are a bag of HP and attack power. They have high endurance because of their self-induced rage, but they are also a piñata. They eat a lot of damage in combat. In terms of FFXIV, Conan was a DPS. In opposition to actual heavy armored fighters that have proficiency with a huge variety of armor sets. They are hard to hit. I think that's a very nice representation of the difference between them.

In a game with a glamour system it’s everyones choice what they want to wear. If you don’t like the skimpy armor don’t glam it. If you want big tank like armor glam it. It’s not that hard. I don’t understand the issue here let people have fun, it’s not like the glamour reflects the play style.

Yeah, but everyone here is acknowledging the existence of glamour as a valid option, though. We understand it's magic that covers the actual set. You can wear a full set of armor and glamour it to make it look like a bikini, but it's not a bikini! It only looks like it (I really don't know why this is so hard to understand for some people). Is it silly? Well, in my opinion yes, but it's also the player's choice. Now try to wear the bikini alone, no glamour, the actual set. You'd get wrecked. That's the point, the game barely offers an actual bikini set and I'm fine with that.

Also, Jesus, god forbid people having a discussion in a discussion forum. It's not an issue per se, just a subject where people are sharing their point of view. Easy.

[MaloraYuki]

Also, Jesus, god forbid people having a discussion in a discussion forum. It's not an issue per se, just a subject where people are sharing their point of view. Easy.

I wasn’t trying to say anything bad about the discussion but that’s my view on the discussion is just have fun and do you. If you want to say it’s magic then call it magic. If you want to come up with another theory then come up with another. If you don’t care then don’t care. Just my view on it.

[Lilseph]

I wasn’t trying to say anything bad about the discussion but that’s my view on the discussion is just have fun and do you. If you want to say it’s magic then call it magic. If you want to come up with another theory then come up with another. If you don’t care then don’t care. Just my view on it.

I was speaking in general.

[akaneakki]

Embrace the magic that is skimpy armor.

LOL OMG! /10 char

[hynaku]

Didn't the amazons have tiny armors and look how strong they where. Think tiny armors helped them with movement and dodging attacks. I want see person in full plate armor swim across a river or under the ocean and not drown. But since don't really ever wear tiny armors because like to wear dresses so don't really have any say against them. most I ever do is when at beach that's next to my place is wear a bikini. My fantasy for armor would be to beat a primal in a fancy dress or nice top and fancy skirt.

[Shouko]

That's a fiction. Heaviest armors in real life were about 20kg's. And since properly made armors distribute the weight very well, running or swimming in them is both possible and much easier than it would seem. If a marathon-runner wore a heavy armor, he still would easily outrun an average Joe or Jane without much issue. A pro-swimmer would still out-swim a once-in-a-week-for-fun swimmer as well.

Armor from knights depending on the era and location could weigh up to a 100 lbs. you're not running a marathon in that, short bursts maybe but even then you're not going to have much speed. Even in 20-30 lbs you're going to have issues running, as for swimming forget about it, most people can barely even swim properly let alone swim with weight on them. A marathon runner that wore armor would be slower than hell, they're used to not having any weight, drag perhaps but weight no..a pro swimmer again same concept, they don't swim with weight, drag yes.

[kikix12]

Armor from knights depending on the era and location could weigh up to a 100 lbs. you're not running a marathon in that, short bursts maybe but even then you're not going to have much speed. Even in 20-30 lbs you're going to have issues running, as for swimming forget about it, most people can barely even swim properly let alone swim with weight on them. A marathon runner that wore armor would be slower than hell, they're used to not having any weight, drag perhaps but weight no..a pro swimmer again same concept, they don't swim with weight, drag yes.

You misunderstood me. It's not about whether an average person can do this or that, but whether it is possible.

I said that a marathon runner still would be able to run further than a non-marathon runner (I did not mean that they would run faster, though I probably did use an ambiguous word for that). That is most certainly true, because even if they would run slower certainly (marathon runners do not run fast at all, to begin with, and an average person on a short distance will easily run faster than any marathon runner anywhere during the marathon will), they trained their body for endurance. Even halving that distance will bring their run to a number most people won't come even close to.

You also seem to mix reality with fiction. "They are used to running/swimming without armor" doesn't mean jack squat in reality. A person that runs a marathon will have stronger legs than a person that does not. It's a fact and no matter the weight they add, it won't change things. A marathoner weighting 60kg will run further than an average Joe will run at 50kg. That same marathoner weighting 80kg will STILL run further than the average Joe weighting 50kg. You are underestimating humans ability. Current soldiers wear almost 30kg of gear on them in the field and they most certainly can run longer distances, while most couldn't run a marathon.

As for that 100lbs gear, as I said, jousting gear was heavy. Yes, jousting gear did weight about 100lbs, so about 45kg. And yes, knights were the ones that wore it. But no, that gear was NOT taken to war. Never. It was a suicide. They were hard to wear, hard to move in. Getting on a horse without help was nigh impossible. If the squires died, such a knight was just an easy target for enemy that couldn't fight properly. Humans are smarter than to put on tin cans that make it impossible for them to move. When against wooden or rock weapons it's fine and all, but a full-strength metal-ended mace to the gut can kill you with or without armor, so it was mandatory to be able to move, and move well.

Now, swimming is another matter. A 60kg+20kg armor person is not the same as 80kg human (heck, the more a human weights the easier it is to swim). However, again. Trained professional swimmers have general fitness and strength to maintain themselves and armor afloat and...though they ain't gonna beat any record obviously...I never said otherwise. All I did was say that it is possible for a person to swim in armor and that a person in armor that is a well-trained swimmer will be able to swim further than an average Joe without armor (clearly making assumption of that average Joe weighting a reasonable amount, like 70-80kg, cause those that are heavily overweight just won't sink and can stay afloat indefinitely without having to do anything...till they die at least).

Look here for your "slow as all hell" comment on running...Believe it or not, but knights did give chase and run away, including against people that had nothing more than leather armor. Being unable to run fast is a good way to never win a battle...except with a Pyrrhic victory. Really...Humans have fought wars for ages. Give more credit to humans where credit is due. Unlike in water, on land the weight of armor is significantly less of a problem. It's not the same as running while holding 20-30kg's in your hands. The weight of armor is spread around your entire body and moves less than fat for obese people will. It's not without its effect on how long a person can run and maximum speed will be reduced, but a fit person will still be better at it (both distance and possibly speed-wise) than an average Joe.

Also, look here for some information on weights.

[Camiie]

Hey if you're going to have a (final) fantasy it may as well be a fantasy in every sense of the word!

[Makeda]

Yeah, but Conan wasn't a tank. He was a barbarian. If you ever played games like D&D, you will know that

I did not realize that Robert Howard, who passed away in the 1930s, played Dungeons and Dragon, a game written in 1974.

But if we're going to go there... it is worth noting that D&D has never been a good representation of fantasy fiction save for that which was written based on it - and it often even fails there (things like Spellfire had to be patched into D&D because D&D magic just didn't work that way but Greenwood needed 'cooler magic' for a novel)...

D&D never even had tanks. It's 4e tried to add them... but it was a limited concept. Tanking itself doesn't work in any setup where you allow NPCs to ignore the little kid telling "yo momma" jokes and instead focus on his 4 teenage buddies behind him with guns and knives...

Tanking is an artificial construct made to enable gaming in a platform with a 'limited AI' that would have more complex logic based strategies easily outguessed by the player base (see Guild Wars 2 and it's resultant failure to have a dynamic combat system after the second month of the game's life when player figured out all the AI's tricks) who could then just 'take a step to the left' and ignore all fight mechanics...

We really should be trying to map 'tank' to anything in literature because when you do... all you can really find is the little kid on the playground yelling out 'yo momma so big, she got her own zip code'... and that stopped working past maybe the age of 5 or 6... After that we just sat around making those jokes back and forth for the lols...