The virtual currency "Moogle Coins" in the FFXIV Companion app must be removed

[Caitlinzulu]

As i see it, its a bit like this.
say we have 1m characters. If they gave us all 10 retainers you could max get for free that would prop be 8m extra retainers above the 2m we get for free. I guess the servers wouldnt be able to handle that.
Since we have to pay for the extra retainers how many do pay? no idea but i'd be surprised if that many get more then 4 if they get any at all, so, and i'm wildly guessing here, you would have like 2m paid for retainers which is only 1/4 of the server load which the servers can handle.
I really would love to see actual numbers of how many of those paid for retainers there actually are.

[Astral145]

I already dropped sub and Im done with FFXIV and SE altogether. I think I'll go play Ni No Kuni 2 which btw looks like a lot of fun. I absolutely love Level 5 games... my all time fave was White Knight Chronicles 2 online.... I really miss that game.... any who FFXIV is pretty much going F2P soon enough. I might as well pack my bags now and jump ship before the storm hits.

[Mwynn]

As i see it, its a bit like this.
say we have 1m characters. If they gave us all 10 retainers you could max get for free that would prop be 8m extra retainers above the 2m we get for free. I guess the servers wouldnt be able to handle that.
Since we have to pay for the extra retainers how many do pay? no idea but i'd be surprised if that many get more then 4 if they get any at all, so, and i'm wildly guessing here, you would have like 2m paid for retainers which is only 1/4 of the server load which the servers can handle.
I really would love to see actual numbers of how many of those paid for retainers there actually are.

Inactive Retainers put no stress on the Server.

The moment you summon one will put load on the Server, that's due because the Inventory of the Retainer needs to be pulled.
Any Inactive remaining Retainer is not used at that moment and the Server is not actually using any Data associated to them.

The only Data that is being used and also called is the one when you click on the Retainer Bell, showing your Retainer List with all Names off them, that is nothing tho.
This happens only when you summon one, tho of course, it's not like those 10 Million Players would summon them all in the first place at the same time, right?

As for this App, it's a disgusting and rude thing they pull off to the Community when it comes to the Premium Features, let's go back to the State of 1.0 shall we?
That's what they basically do, I remember that Picture they have shown us that they should listen to the Communities Feedback, Develope Stuff that actually is Fun and much more.

Ya, I totally see that right here.

Dare they add a Premium Item in the Mog Station that let's us login Instantly on a Server because elsewise we're not able to Connect due of overbloating amount of Players. Oh ya, looking back at Joymax... *whistles*

[Rufalus]

So you have a narrow scope what defines pay to win.
You do not see an advantage someone has when they have 8 chrs with 10 retainers each vs 8 chrs 2 retainers each?

It's an advantage for gil but so are other factors like having more free time than someone else. Ultimately excess gil isn't required for any content, it cannot buy equipment with a higher item level than those from other means (tome, raid) and you also can't buy gear with superior stats on the Mog Station, nor any other kind of stat booster that would give you an advantage in relevant endgame battle content. I think that's the distinction this game uses when they say no p2w.

I think the issue is comparing oneself to the people who have a larger disposable income for additional retainers, mog station glamors and such. People will be happier if they just stay grateful for the things they have and not envy others. Mog stuff and excess amounts of gil beyond just being able to teleport and repair are optional fluff things that shouldn't stop you from enjoying all of the content the basic subscription fee provides.

Personally I don't have the money for optional stuff like some people but I just focus on myself and enjoy what I do have. I don't mind S-E selling optional stuff - it's what a company is supposed to do. In capitalist world we can't tell people they are earning too much and should take a pay cut. I like S-E products so I think it's nice if they turn a really healthy profit, although that insanely massive FF VII Remake is perhaps overambitious and wasteful of money to do at the level of detail they are targeting. I don't want to think about how many years it will take to finish.

[Solarra]

I think the issue is comparing oneself to the people who have a larger disposable income for additional retainers, mog station glamors and such. People will be happier if they just stay grateful for the things they have and not envy others.

Please don't insult people by assuming they cannot afford this and are therefore simply bitter and resentful of those who are better off. That is not the issue.
I avoid Free to Play games because I don't like the business model. I prefer a sub-game because everything is included and the playing field with other players is relatively level - more time gives an advantage but more cash does not.

FFXIV has been blurring the line between the sub and Free to Play model for some time, with the release of the App and this new currency they are basically erasing it.
They are already getting away with more than they should. We pay a sub and yet storage and sales on the Market Board are very limited, however we have the option to pay more and rent extra storage and MB slots.
Now we can pay even more to access retainers, our inventory and the MB at any time, something that will give people a clear advantage in-game. The App will also see most of the available storage locked behind a paywall. (To anyone saying extra retainers don't give you an advantage, all I can say is you are not using them right; they are little gil generating machines and the more you have, the more you can sell, giving you more influence on the markets). That is Pay to Win, if your enjoyment comes from Crafting, Gathering or the MB.
Also note that they said there may be more things to buy with this new currency depending on the reception. So it might not affect you personally now, but if they decide to expand on this model it probably will.

Right now I'm looking back at my time in WoW with new appreciation (I unsubbed in WoD)
Storage - more than I could ever use, included in sub
Alt characters - included in sub
Glamour - all available in-game
MB - unlimited slots
Calendar - in-game
Cash Shop purchases - all account wide
Mailing alts - possible
Chat outside game - free
App - free and unlimited (I believe they are dropping support for it soon though)

So no, I am not going to be 'grateful' for what we have. I am going to do what every savvy consumer does, compare the product to the competition and decide whether I'm being offered value for money, and as things stand right now, I'm not sure I am.

[Tanathya]

I think the issue is comparing oneself to the people who have a larger disposable income for additional retainers, mog station glamors and such. People will be happier if they just stay grateful for the things they have and not envy others. Mog stuff and excess amounts of gil beyond just being able to teleport and repair are optional fluff things that shouldn't stop you from enjoying all of the content the basic subscription fee provides.

Wow. Just wow. You've got a serious problem if you think that is the issue.

[Theodric]

I have a disposable income. I've bought both the Odin and Shiva statue purely for the sake of emotes. I've also bought most soundtracks and art books. Yet even I think they're going too far with this. It's not cosmetic - it's a paid advantage and this is already a subscription fee game. How many other 'optional' services will be available in the future? If they think they can rely on 'whales' like me they're sorely mistaken because people I log on to play with are quitting over this and Eureka which is risking my own enthusiasm for continued investment. I doubt I'm the only 'whale' in that position.

So who are they seeking to appeal to with this move? They can't be so out of touch that they don't realise it's going to be poorly received. Is it a matter of Square Enix going the way of Konami and shamelessly trying to squeeze as much money out of their customers as possible?

[Rufalus]

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Not intended to be insulting, sorry if you felt it was. People are worrying about being competitive at gil farming versus a player who is spending more real money on retainers and premium app. I said it's better for happiness if you don't worry about what other people have - a lesson for life in general. If you can't afford or can't justify the expense of optional items, you don't need to feel pressured to buy them just because other people have them. These are low impact extras as far as it relates to being able to access the full breadth of content in the game.

Wow. Just wow. You've got a serious problem if you think that is the issue.

There isn't a counterpoint in this post, it just seems like an attack on me. I thought I was shining some positivity into the discussion but I've been interpreted the wrong way.

[TheGrimace]

As an aside, the fact that we cannot mail items to alts is dumb as hell. If it's a measure to foil RMT (which is the oft assumed notion), it does more harm than good.

[Granyala]

So who are they seeking to appeal to with this move? They can't be so out of touch that they don't realise it's going to be poorly received. Is it a matter of Square Enix going the way of Konami and shamelessly trying to squeeze as much money out of their customers as possible?

Pretty much. Just as Blizzard tested the waters a few years ago and successfully ended up with a sub game + micro transaction shop SE too is trying to see just how far they can go.
Sad thing is: most players will lick it up like good little doggies, just as they accepted Day-0 DLCs and other shit the gaming industry came up with to maximize profits.