All Greed on Alliance loot

[Spiswel]

I really, really don't like this change.

It's bad enough now when you enter one of the 24-man raids as (insert job here), looking for a specific piece, and find yourself teamed with (other job of the same role). I am sure me and everyone else instantly does the "Let's examine his guy and assess if he risks to roll on what I want" game.

It already sucks when you have to roll against ONE person and be at the mercy of RNG drops (because yeah, you don't even have a garantee to SEE the piece you might be after, ever). Now we're gonna have to roll against SEVEN, and that is, EVERY SINGLE TIME we enter a raid.

It doesnt stop there.
At the beginning of the week, the queue times will be flooded by those who want their weekly piece, and at the end of the week, you'll be lucky to even get a queue to pop since anyone who has their loot isn't queuing.

[Spiswel]

PS because 1000 characters didn't cover everything.

I also don't know if implementing a "token" system is a good fix for it either. We alreayd are dealing with a LOT of token items necessary for raiding, buying equipment, upgrade items (just look how many iterations of "coat" "twine" and "solvant" there are throughout ARR, HW and now SB....) and weekly currencies for 8-man/24-man raids.
It would necessitate (imo) a total re-do of the "Currency" tab into a functional, effective currencies and upgrades vault (as in you'd have to convert all the weekly tokens/book pages/twines/coats/coins/etc) to be able to fix things, which I am not sure the devs want to spend ressources on. (Unless we talk about it a lot in the OF maybe)

[ScarecrowJames]

Why not just give people 1 guaranteed drop every run like the leveling aspect of ffxiv til you reach 70 that was added in the Launch of Stormblood.
Or perhaps drop a bit more loot.
Or better yet if you want gear for another job....why not play that other job and keep the loot systems the same way.

[Tridus]

PS because 1000 characters didn't cover everything.

If you edit your post, the 1000 limit doesn't apply. FYI.

[MrSmiley]

Trying to make something fair that was already fair and not its not fair.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Adding my opposition to this idea. What is even the point? Previously, if you wanted gear for a particular job, then you would just go play that job; I really don't see the issue with that.

If you want to change the 24-man loot system, then add tokens or something. This all Greed nonsense is just that.

[KisaiTenshi]

Why not just give people 1 guaranteed drop every run like the leveling aspect of ffxiv til you reach 70 that was added in the

Because that's not how it works. It's a Raid, not progression.

There's three real strategies, all have a downside:

"All Need" - Only the role for the gear can need it, nobody can greed on it unless the players with that role pass or aren't present (eg such as an alliance with no DRG's), but because the game doesn't check that you already have it in anything but your inventory, players will still "need" on items they already have for seals/desynth.

"All Greed" - Every player has an equal chance for the item, but the system has to actually check that the player doesn't already have it (presently it only checks that you don't have the item in your inventory, not retainers, saddlebag or glamour dresser.) Downside is that players will "greed" on everything, and may intentionally make it so they can greed on things they already have so they can turn it in for seals/desynth.

"Tokens" - Every player just gets a token for participating, however this removes the RNG aspect of the loot roll, thus you only have to play the content once. So if you don't play it when it's new, you'll never play it again. See Alexander and Coil, even Deltascape now.

The token solution only solves one problem (everyone getting something) while creating another one (raid abandonment when it's no longer new)

The Need/Greed solutions solves the abandonment problem but creates a problem where people will need/greed on gear for reasons other than they can use it. The solution here, and I know people will cry about it, would be to make items obtained from raids not be able to be turned in for seals, and unable to be desynthed. Rather these items need to go to some kind of "raid marketboard" where you can trade like-for-like, at no cost. eg "I want (raid) healer's foot gear, trading (raid) DRG foot gear", this ensures that people can get the items they want by playing the raid, and not by simply buying it off the marketboard.

Though that begs the question, why not just allow the items to be put on the marketboard for gil? Because then people wouldn't farm tomes for the tomes gear, people would farm the best gear and whoever can farm the gear the fastest makes all the money (see mount farms.)

It seems like some mid-compromise is needed between the gear drops and the tokens. However I don't see how it can be done without causing the raid to be abandoned faster. There needs to be an incentive to play old content, and not even Khloe gets people to play old content. They could put the old NM raids into a roulette, and the high-end raids into a separate roulette, where 4 wildcard tokens can be traded for any piece of left-side gear from old content, or 1 token for the right-side gear/belt. Though I imagine this would just propagate the existing problem in the roulettes where the easiest raid/duty just keeps being selected.

[New_Game_Plus]

This is pretty awful... I agree.

[Kuro_Matsu]

Now that all is set to greed, will we still have the weekly lock out in place still?
Why not give a token system so we are at least guaranteed an item instead of rolling against 7 others? The devs love token currencies , right?
Seems as though this is just a ploy to make the content last longer.

[Zojha]

[...], however this removes the RNG aspect of the loot roll, thus you only have to play the content once. So if you don't play it when it's new, you'll never play it again.

Asdfasdgast.

No. Why does this notion still exist? Along with the silver platter comment?

If you get one token a run and you need 100 tokens for an item, how many runs do you need to do? The answer is not: One. The answer is 100. That is statistically roughly equivalent to something having a 1% chance to drop into the inventory. (Roughly, because outliers are open ended on one side)

Token solutions are very flexible and can be tuned as desired. As a matter of fact, currencies like tomes are nothing more than universal tokens for participating in set DoW/DoM content. And some things, like the old Anima or the EX primal mounts might take a lot of tokens to get. RNG does not make content last longer than tokens.

The only thing RNG does is to change the distribution: Some people get things before the statistically expected amount of runs, other people get it after the statistically expected amount of runs. Token systems allow neither, everyone has to do the exact same amount of runs. That is the actual difference.