All Greed on Alliance loot

[NoNick]

This is just stupid.

I think a lot of people try to gear up to improve their Alt and not just glamor. The moment you do something that already takes a long time (for example: I start trying to get tank gear on Tuesday and even with "need loot", I only get the piece on the weekend with any luck) for something even worse with a 1/8 chance (worst case) IF the parts drops?

I'm Main NIN and I have no problem using Tank | healer just to have this advantage in trying to get the gear pieces (and even then I take days with "Need loot"). "Ahhh ... but I do not like to go [X Job], but I want the gear just for [N reason]." If you do not like to use the job, why bother to equip her? I guess then it's for glamor, so it's okay for you to try after the class you use for your alts (remember that not everyone dows Savage, so the raid is rather a good source of mid-tier gear).

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If Devs want to help the "glamor team", why not implement the token system?

[NoNick]

I mean, is alliance raid gear anything other than glamour really... If you need ilv, its not hard to get by other means

Not everyone does Savage (Normal mode has the story, so Savage is for the class that wants ilvl, challenges or whatever), so the raid is rather a good source of mid-tier gear.
Gear raid works perfectly on all content (except Savage), so it is great for Alts.

Tomes has weekly restraint, so people usually focus on the Main Job before thinking about going for an Alt (and even then the upgrade speed is much lower)

[Yuki_Lowell]

This is not fair at all! Terrible change... :<
I hope they step back on this.

[Squintina]

Part of me "likes" it because sometimes people who are able to Need will use need when they don't need the upgrade (from an ilvl perspective).

But the other part of me hates it because someone that DOES need the upgrade now has to compete with a lot more people and I think that's the greater evil than people abusing need.

So overall I don't like this. The bad outweighs the good.

[Solarra]

Making gearing up (or getting glam) from existing raids take longer is certainly a lot cheaper than producing new content.

Horrible change and one I don't recall anyone asking for.

[Metalwrath]

It's a terrible idea.We are likely going to see groups of people possibly votekicking people over drops now.It will cause arguments and needless drama.
Not to mention there is no incentive now to run alliance raids as tanks.This is not a smart change and could result in queues becoming much longer due as you will have the same chance running as a dps for raids to get tank items.
I think this could be the death of alliance raids and will not make them more used which is obviously the intention behind the change.

[AxlTheHunter]

I don't tend to chime in on threads like this but honestly THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA.
It will accomplish nothing but angering 99% of the community and rather than make it "FAIR" it really seems to do the exact opposite. If this was glamour gear only that would be one thing, but this is MID TIER gear that helps a lot of mid line players that may not feel up to the 8 man raids or EX content. My biggest concern as with everyone else is TANK or Healing gear. RNG is already a huge obstetrical and now we will compete with 8 other people that may or may not even need it at all? I mean As a tank or healer or even dps, if you already have the gear you can't need or greed it so what is the problem with that? To the Dev team, PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS.

[NoNick]

My hope is that there will be a sentence missing in this translation and that change will be exclusively for when the Raid loses the "weekly lock". If this is the case, then yes it would be a welcome change since the moment the loot gets free in Raids means that we already have "free tome gear", upgrades and other ways for get gear (and the gear tier also increased a lot with new Savage|Tome tier)

[Fyce]

I'm in the camp that if you want gear on a certain role, play as that role.

This is imbalanced though. Some jobs/roles have a harder/easier competition from the get go. For example, has a healer, you'd always be competing against someone who can roll need on everything you can. It can even be worse for caster DPS if they are 3+ in the same party. Tanks, on the other hand, have no competition. Same with DRG as long as they are not matched with another DRG -which again proves that the current system is wonky to begin with.

If you dont want to tank something, why do you need to gear up a tank?

With this change someone can just go in there as a DD, barely do something and get the tank chest, that the tank who probably had a way longer wait time and a way harder job may have needed to gear his main job..how is that fair?

The long waiting time for tanks is somewhat related to the current system though. If you want tank gear, you're forced to take the long queue and play has a tank. With the new system, no need to do that. The tank population will regulate itself.

And it's not because someone doesn't want to tank in a 24-players raid that they don't want to tank at all. In fact, the tanking experience is these instances is usually terrible, with some aggro battles going on, or being completly useless as an off-tank. I wouldn't blame anyone for not being happy to tank 24-players raids.

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This change makes it worse for everyone, but at least it's balanced now.
All they need to do is to increase the number of loot in the chests so your chances of getting something go up.

[Tsumdere]

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So, lets take a system that sometimes hurt some people and make it hurt everyone. Now those poor RDMs have to roll against 7 other people, instead of just 3... but at least the tanks now have to fight 7 others for their gear now too! Haha tenks. (Did anyone actually get bitter that tanks/DRGs/NINs had no competition...?)

They should have added tokens. It does the exact same thing except you wouldn't have to worry about the DPS who has been dead for 90% of the fight rolling on healer gloves you might need because "muh glims". Hopefully this will be released alongside raid tokens and increased loot, because if it is then I have no qualms about this change.