I told you so, but we can still fix this!

[Valdegarde]

Why aren't Dark Knight players using TBN? Even the more overall skilled players in FFlogs? I've seen this study and certain other people continuously mention that it's the fault of the players, it just so happens that so many players of Dark Knight are horrible and refuse to use TBN because they don't have skill. Wait, but that doesn't make sense for only Dark Knight players to have a lack of skill. Surely there exist players who are skilled who try to push Dark Knight to their limits.
Taken from this angle, why is it not rewarding for skilled players to want to push Dark Knight to its limits, and/or instead of labeling all these players bad, is there something fundamental about TBN's nature that makes it unrewarding or annoying to use regularly?

...is it too hard to ask for the people who are attempting to shut down Dark Knight criticism to respond to these questions, too?

[Mnemosynia]

You guys missed the entire point of my post. TBN forces DRKS to not use half of there skills due to mana costs they balanced the entire class around that one skill killing any identity that is has. Many of the posts including mines are about just that. All you non drk players who constantly say why don't you just spam 1 button when people are saying hey i don't want this skill. In my OP I even said we need to advocate for its removal or nerfing.

Man can you people please read the thread.

[Deceptus]

Well, here's the counter-argument.

The only thing wrong with Dark Knight is you - a Damage Intake Analysis

I suppose it follows that Dark Knight might be simplified similar to how Warrior was.

And the author of that has come to the forums to state that his work is being completely taken out of context.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

It does, in fact, mention these points. They are not the focus, but they are mentioned. Raid utility gets a whole section and... your basic point is wrong anyways.

DRK is better than not a hindrance:


DRKs could be the easiest tank to heal instead of the hardest... if they but only used their cooldowns.

Just like, so you know, Chrono_Rising is one of the main contributors to that reddit post so you're actually arguing against one of the people who supplied the data.
And I'll admit, it's kind of amusing to watch, as Chrono was one of the driving forces behind that "so-called" counter argument and you've seemingly missed the entire point—as have most others. lol

Chrono and Emiin were referring to damage taken in that post, not damage done, not playstyle, not utility and certainly not strength.
Using their post for your argument against them is only going to make yourself; or anyone else, look foolish.

[Hierro]

Just like, so you know, Chrono_Rising is one of the main contributors to that reddit post so you're actually arguing against one of the people who supplied the data.
And I'll admit, it's kind of amusing to watch, as Chrono was one of the driving forces behind that "so-called" counter argument and you've seemingly missed the entire point—as have most others. lol

Chrono and Emiin were referring to damage taken in that post, not damage done, not playstyle, not utility and certainly not strength.
Using their post for your argument against them is only going to make yourself; or anyone else, look foolish.

Chrono's opinion is also very far distant from Emiin's. While Emiin believes DRK to be a good tank, Chrono believes it's in shambles. In either case, there's nothing wrong with arguing against Chrono, even if he pitched in. I do it all the time.

[Chrono_Rising]

Chrono's opinion is also very far distant from Emiin's. While Emiin believes DRK to be a good tank, Chrono believes it's in shambles. In either case, there's nothing wrong with arguing against Chrono, even if he pitched in. I do it all the time.

I'm not sure what your fascination with misrepresenting me is. Dark Knight needs a potency boost to be more competitive with paladin and warrior given its lack of a utility, while taking approximately the same amount of damage, and needs some quality of life tweaking. I've updated my opinion based on the study to more accurately reflect the situation. My opinion before was what I just said and a defensive boost, but that seems unnecessary. Oh and by the way, I think Emiin has echoed the opinion that dark knight does need a potency buff and quality of life attention.

Is dark knight broken to the point of being unplayable anis in shambles?
No.
Does it need attention?
Yes.
Do you like to ignore reality to push your personal motive against dark knight?
Seems like it.
Do I like answering my own questions?
More than anything.

[Reynhart]

TBN forces DRKS to not use half of there skills due to mana costs they balanced the entire class around that one skill killing any identity that is has.

TBN just forces you to not use 1 Dark Arts and "reward" you with BloodSpiller if used effectively, for a roughly even DPS. People just need to realize that it's not a sin to keep some MP even if you have enough for one last Dark Arts.

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

I think its simple in sense that the way DRK play is keeping your manna pool low and you use DA after syphon put you above 2400 to use it on souleater. in that sense TBN is no relyable because most of time its grayed out due u have no manna.

In order to use TBN u need start doing instead 2x rotation of soul chain u use TBN in end and use Bloodspiller after.
Allways keeping manna between 50%-80% and using DA only when u hit 95% manna to avoid cap.

That req extra that u dont need do whit PLD shildron nor war raw.

[Tint]

Allways keeping manna between 50%-80% and using DA only when u hit 95% manna to avoid cap.

That req extra that u dont need do whit PLD shildron nor war raw.

exactly. people are complaining that DRK needs a 3rd combo because we only press 1-2-3 over and over again. but DRK doesn't need another combo to make it more interesting. DRK is about resscource management. having always enough mana / blood to use your actions and spend it properly into damage or mitigation and never capping the resscources out is the key gameplay of DRK. not having a lot of different combos to keep buffs / debuffs running: that's what WARs do.

[Hierro]

Is dark knight broken to the point of being unplayable anis in shambles?
No.
Does it need attention?
Yes.
Do you like to ignore reality to push your personal motive against dark knight?
Seems like it.
Do I like answering my own questions?
More than anything.

Personal motive against DRK? Dude, I love the job! In case you've forgotten from our conversations, I've repeated time and time again DRK could use some QoL changes and small potency buffs, but nothing more. You seem to be under the impression that because I main one job, I can't possibly want another to succeed. But excuse me for believing your opinion was negative based on not-too-distant posts.