I told you so, but we can still fix this!

[Risvertasashi]

Well, here's the counter-argument.

The only thing wrong with Dark Knight is you - a Damage Intake Analysis

I suppose it follows that Dark Knight might be simplified similar to how Warrior was.

[Chrono_Rising]

Well, here's the counter-argument.

The only thing wrong with Dark Knight is you - a Damage Intake Analysis

I suppose it follows that Dark Knight might be simplified similar to how Warrior was.

The point of that post is that when it comes to total tank damage for compositions, dark is not an hindrance to the party, in other words, parties with dark knights are not taking more damage on average than a paladin warrior composition. The post does let go of the utility and dps argument though. It is not the be all end all in terms of is dark knight in the best place.

[TouchandFeel]

*only quoting Chrono since I'm continuing that convo, not posing a rebuttal to what he said*

Reading that analysis, it makes me feel like the poster went into it wanting to prove a certain point and due to this confirmation bias perceived the data in a way that would support what they wanted the outcome to be.

Them pointing out that DRK's need to use TBN more is spot on and something I have seen for myself, but not using defensive CD's as much as they should is a general issue I have encountered with many tanks regardless of job.

Another poster from that Reddit thread I feel hits the nail on the head with the way the confirmation bias of the poster affects a situation like the one regarding tanks not using defensives enough.

"How convenient for the intended and admittedly biased conclusion that when DRK abilities are being used incorrectly, it means DRK is better than it actually perceived. But when PLD and WAR abilities are being used incorrectly, it means that PLD and WAR aren't as good as perceived."

I would suggest people not just read the post itself but look through the comments as well, as there a number of good responses in there that echo my own feelings towards the analysis.

[Risvertasashi]

The point of that post is that when it comes to total tank damage for compositions, dark is not an hindrance to the party, in other words, parties with dark knights are not taking more damage on average than a paladin warrior composition. The post does let go of the utility and dps argument though. It is not the be all end all in terms of is dark knight in the best place.

It does, in fact, mention these points. They are not the focus, but they are mentioned. Raid utility gets a whole section and... your basic point is wrong anyways.

DRK is better than not a hindrance:

The Blackest Night, when used effectively, puts a Dark Knight on the lowest-damage taken for single target mitigation.

DRKs could be the easiest tank to heal instead of the hardest... if they but only used their cooldowns.

[Chrono_Rising]

It does, in fact, mention these points. They are not the focus, but they are mentioned. Raid utility gets a whole section and... your basic point is wrong anyways.

DRK is better than not a hindrance:


DRKs could be the easiest tank to heal instead of the hardest... if they but only used their cooldowns.

That wasn't actually accounted for in the data, it is opinion.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

It does, in fact, mention these points. They are not the focus, but they are mentioned. Raid utility gets a whole section and... your basic point is wrong anyways.

DRK is better than not a hindrance:


DRKs could be the easiest tank to heal instead of the hardest... if they but only used their cooldowns.

Just like, so you know, Chrono_Rising is one of the main contributors to that reddit post so you're actually arguing against one of the people who supplied the data.
And I'll admit, it's kind of amusing to watch, as Chrono was one of the driving forces behind that "so-called" counter argument and you've seemingly missed the entire point—as have most others. lol

Chrono and Emiin were referring to damage taken in that post, not damage done, not playstyle, not utility and certainly not strength.
Using their post for your argument against them is only going to make yourself; or anyone else, look foolish.

[Hierro]

Just like, so you know, Chrono_Rising is one of the main contributors to that reddit post so you're actually arguing against one of the people who supplied the data.
And I'll admit, it's kind of amusing to watch, as Chrono was one of the driving forces behind that "so-called" counter argument and you've seemingly missed the entire point—as have most others. lol

Chrono and Emiin were referring to damage taken in that post, not damage done, not playstyle, not utility and certainly not strength.
Using their post for your argument against them is only going to make yourself; or anyone else, look foolish.

Chrono's opinion is also very far distant from Emiin's. While Emiin believes DRK to be a good tank, Chrono believes it's in shambles. In either case, there's nothing wrong with arguing against Chrono, even if he pitched in. I do it all the time.

[Chrono_Rising]

Chrono's opinion is also very far distant from Emiin's. While Emiin believes DRK to be a good tank, Chrono believes it's in shambles. In either case, there's nothing wrong with arguing against Chrono, even if he pitched in. I do it all the time.

I'm not sure what your fascination with misrepresenting me is. Dark Knight needs a potency boost to be more competitive with paladin and warrior given its lack of a utility, while taking approximately the same amount of damage, and needs some quality of life tweaking. I've updated my opinion based on the study to more accurately reflect the situation. My opinion before was what I just said and a defensive boost, but that seems unnecessary. Oh and by the way, I think Emiin has echoed the opinion that dark knight does need a potency buff and quality of life attention.

Is dark knight broken to the point of being unplayable anis in shambles?
No.
Does it need attention?
Yes.
Do you like to ignore reality to push your personal motive against dark knight?
Seems like it.
Do I like answering my own questions?
More than anything.

[Hierro]

Is dark knight broken to the point of being unplayable anis in shambles?
No.
Does it need attention?
Yes.
Do you like to ignore reality to push your personal motive against dark knight?
Seems like it.
Do I like answering my own questions?
More than anything.

Personal motive against DRK? Dude, I love the job! In case you've forgotten from our conversations, I've repeated time and time again DRK could use some QoL changes and small potency buffs, but nothing more. You seem to be under the impression that because I main one job, I can't possibly want another to succeed. But excuse me for believing your opinion was negative based on not-too-distant posts.

[Deceptus]

Well, here's the counter-argument.

The only thing wrong with Dark Knight is you - a Damage Intake Analysis

I suppose it follows that Dark Knight might be simplified similar to how Warrior was.

And the author of that has come to the forums to state that his work is being completely taken out of context.