JP Only

[DNO]

I used to feel this way cept I played XI from NA launch.

Then one day....

hahahhaha man a lot of people wont be posting BS after this LMAO good find.

[Jennestia]

hahahhaha man a lot of people wont be posting BS after this LMAO good find.

Too bad on Japanese clients he basically stated he didn't speak the Japanese Language and what isn't shown was if 'Vivi' was shouting for a party or he just simply asked them, because they may have abbreviated Party as 'PT' in English.

[DNO]

Too bad on Japanese clients he basically stated he didn't speak the Japanese Language and what isn't shown was if 'Vivi' was shouting for a party or he just simply asked them, because they may have abbreviated Party as 'PT' in English.

no i get it i get it.. its called excuses......

no amount of proof will change you guys mind i get it. Not a Thread started by a frustrated player, Not an actual Screen shot, not the fact that even YOU have seen it plenty of times, not the fact the SE is adding single speaking servers because of this fact. i get it your stubborn and no one will change your mind.

So let this thread die.

[Jennestia]

no i get it i get it.. its called excuses......

Indeed. A shout in Japanese with 'PT' thrown in would lead someone to ask them if they could join, that's logic. What you're likely arguing is that it's discrimination, when it's well known that that isn't the case, but after all.

I've seen JP Only plenty times, but since I also speak Japanese I know that it's not being racist, like it seems people believe it to be. As I said, I've seen French Only, Deutsch Only, Spanish Only etc, they're not being racist either. So stubbornness? I'm not the one being stubborn here.

The only reason they're thinking about splitting (not moving) the servers is because it's typical of MMOs, not because the game needs it, if that's the case FFXI would have never survived 1 year.

[AmyRae]

What you're likely arguing is that it's discrimination, when it's well known that that isn't the case, but after all.

It is discrimination no matter what. "I will only party with people who speak Japanese," is discrimination in the same way, "I will only wear yellow," or "I don't think children should smoke," is discrimination. Discrimination in and of itself is not always a bad thing, and sometimes it has valid reasons for existing.

The issue is, "JP Only" is perceived, whether intentional or not, to be a "you're an outsider" slur against those who don't speak Japanese, which is I'm sure you would agree, a bad kind of discrimination. Racist? Perhaps not.

But it certainly comes off as prejudicial considering there is an auto-translation feature meant to make basic party communication possible. So even if you want to frame this as simply an issue of language, I think there's a case to be made that being told "JP Only" is still rude and hurtful given that people of any of the supported languages ought to be able to make a go of it no matter what.

[DNO]

It is discrimination no matter what. "I will only party with people who speak Japanese," is discrimination in the same way, "I will only wear yellow," or "I don't think children should smoke," is discrimination. Discrimination in and of itself is not always a bad thing, and sometimes it has valid reasons for existing.

The issue is, "JP Only" is perceived, whether intentional or not, to be a "you're an outsider" slur against those who don't speak Japanese, which is I'm sure you would agree, a bad kind of discrimination. Racist? Perhaps not.

But it certainly comes off as prejudicial considering there is an auto-translation feature meant to make basic party communication possible. So even if you want to frame this as simply an issue of language, I think there's a case to be made that being told "JP Only" is still rude and hurtful given that people of any of the supported languages ought to be able to make a go of it no matter what.

great post. your right 100%

[Spellbinder]

no i get it i get it.. its called excuses......

no amount of proof will change you guys mind i get it. Not a Thread started by a frustrated player, Not an actual Screen shot, not the fact that even YOU have seen it plenty of times, not the fact the SE is adding single speaking servers because of this fact. i get it your stubborn and no one will change your mind.

So let this thread die.

The one who seems to be stubborn here is you. Yes here are Japanese players who prefer to play only with Japanese players, but the same goes for every language speaking community here. You seem to have an agenda to blow this phenomenon way out of proportion as if ALL Japanese do this when it is NOT the case.

[DNO]

The one who seems to be stubborn here is you. Yes here are Japanese players who prefer to play only with Japanese players, but the same goes for every language speaking community here. You seem to have an agenda to blow this phenomenon way out of proportion as if ALL Japanese do this when it is NOT the case.

If you think so. Your wrong but thats ok with me.

I actually did not start the thread just have a problem with people thinking Its ok for "JP only" parties. As i said 1 million times if they are gonna do what IS HAPPENING and single people out then give them and us our own servers.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Why can they say "jp only" and half you people defend them and i say "I do not like that" and im slammed. That is unfair.

Also I did not make up the servers thing SQUARE ENIX did. I just like the idea. I do not mind getting slammed i mean it is the interwebz but this is silly. Im not stubborn i just do not want people on my server that will never play with me If i can have a choice. plenty of people agree with me and some disagree. Also if SE leaves it the way it is i wont care either. FF11 i played for 7 years it was fun and F14 i plan on playing also.

[Spellbinder]

If you think so. Your wrong but thats ok with me.

I actually did not start the thread just have a problem with people thinking Its ok for "JP only" parties. As i said 1 million times if they are gonna do what IS HAPPENING and single people out then give them and us our own servers.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Why can they say "jp only" and half you people defend them and i say "I do not like that" and im slammed. That is unfair.

Also I did not make up the servers thing SQUARE ENIX did. I just like the idea. I do not mind getting slammed i mean it is the interwebz but this is silly. Im not stubborn i just do not want people on my server that will never play with me If i can have a choice. plenty of people agree with me and some disagree. Also if SE leaves it the way it is i wont care either. FF11 i played for 7 years it was fun and F14 i plan on playing also.

As one person pointed out with a fine example, although it is often perceived as discrimination (which is definitely a bad thing), its simply meant as "we're looking for people who can speak Japanese to play with us". Is that wrong? They're not trying to single you out as the mean foreigner they don't want to invite. Taking on that Japanese players testament again, most Japanese players don't know enough English to say "we're looking for Japanese speakers", "JP Only" is short and from there perspective is understandable. We don't need separate servers its not going to change anything, we just need better communication.

[DNO]

As one person pointed out with a fine example, although it is often perceived as discrimination (which is definitely a bad thing), its simply meant as "we're looking for people who can speak Japanese to play with us". Is that wrong? They're not trying to single you out as the mean foreigner they don't want to invite. Taking on that Japanese players testament again, most Japanese players don't know enough English to say "we're looking for Japanese speakers", "JP Only" is short and from there perspective is understandable. We don't need separate servers its not going to change anything, we just need better communication.

You can think that but i no better. Im not new to ff mmos. i spent alomst half my life on them. I no better. This my be your experience but its not mine. I was told IN ENGLISH "NA player no good i'm sorry"... thats just not the same thing you are making it out to be. (7 years in ff11 SEVEN)

And i am sorry i gotta say NA players do not do this. They more time then JP players party with anyone. So YES its wrong to me and i am entitled to think that way. As you are also. Lets leave it as we agree to disagree. We do not need better Communication we need either:

A) people willing to use auto-translate and party with others
B) Single Language servers