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    I had that feeling 3 days ago, I went for my weekly o6s in PF and we wiped over & over again on 1% .

    I was Ast and a Mch who parsed complained I did 400dps when the sch did 2000dps, he said he could do 2500dps "easy" as a whm.

    I told him I did most of the heals, buff everyone with cards + did pink mechanic that I wasn't use to (but didn't failed). That I am ok to try to dps more but that every time 5 dps died on instant death mech to max their dps, and it should give us the 1% missing.

    I left sad, I am a healer I want to first heal, do mech, then buff, then dps...
    A friend went to FFlogs and saw that I did 91% of the heals with less overheals than the sch.

    How many times did I see ppl not buffing up pt's, not helping raising, not using CD's, not avoiding aoe's...Just for their parses. Is that being good at their job?

    So we shouldn't focus on others dps, neither feel bad about us if we do the mech and the basics of our job before the high dps focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
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    Oh, I don't really run with a group (yet) for Savage. Part of it is I work rough hours (hence why I'm most active on the forums while most folks are sound asleep) and the other part is that the last actual static that I played with during Shinryu Ex, I felt so bad because I was holding them back from getting a clear. For three hours. I dunno why they kept encouraging me - I know most other statics would've kicked, so I'm grateful, but afraid of having that happening to someone else if I get involved with an actual static.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer View Post
    You've gone from 9th percentile to 50th...from far below average to an average raider...and you say you're regressing? That actually sounds like an accomplishment to me.
    I might've typed too fast to realize what I was saying, but the 9th percentile is in Savage for most of those runs. The 50th percentile I recently obtained was in O8 Normal, and is, in my opinion, worse than what I was pulling last month on Savage fights because those are generally much harder. I have no idea what I pulled this week on O5, O6, and O7.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayku View Post
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    I have a similar mentality when I do break out AST - heals and buffs take precedence over DPS, so at least with that class, I personally don't mind not breaking 1000DPS if I'm shouldering the load of healing so my co-healer can DPS more. I also don't really care so much about individual players' DPS as opposed to raid DPS if we hit enrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    I might've typed too fast to realize what I was saying, but the 9th percentile is in Savage for most of those runs. The 50th percentile I recently obtained was in O8 Normal, and is, in my opinion, worse than what I was pulling last month on Savage fights because those are generally much harder. I have no idea what I pulled this week on O5, O6, and O7.
    Ah, I see. But if that's what you're doing then you're only making things harder for yourself. Savage and HM are different fights, they have the same base but savage does more damage and has more mechanics. You are comparing apples to oranges and wondering why you're faltering; you are using the correlation between savage and hm to determine your change in performance and you can't really do that. If you want to accurately test your performance then you need to test your performance on the same thing. If you're at 9% 2 weeks ago then run with a friend a few times in Savage to get your performance now. Doing what you're doing is basically guessing without any facts and as you've already stated, you're very hard on yourself therefore your guesses aren't going to be in your favor.

    Honestly, even if all you've done is go up 5% in 2 weeks I'd call that successful training; in a limited timeframe you've shown improvement of your skills. Is a 5% increase your goal? Nope, nor would I suggest you should stop there if you aren't happy with it but it is proof that you're progressing, that you're improving. I don't want to dictate how you should play but I'd suggest that perfection should not be your goal, just steady improvement and aim for that 1-2% increase each week until you hit the 80th+ percentile. Aim for a goal that you know you can achieve, you'll feel better about it each week and some weeks you may even surprise yourself with higher improvements. Expecting 10% increases each week is only going to set yourself up for failure and make you feel worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayku View Post
    I was Ast and a Mch who parsed complained I did 400dps when the sch did 2000dps, he said he could do 2500dps "easy" as a whm.

    I left sad, I am a healer I want to first heal, do mech, then buff, then dps...
    A friend went to FFlogs and saw that I did 91% of the heals with less overheals than the sch.
    Well first, try not to be sad about it. It wasn't a good experience, but we all have to remember this is a game.

    Second, the SCH saying he can do 2500 on WHM "easy" isn't really relevant if you are playing AST. AST personal DPS capability is a lot lower than WHM...but....

    While it is true the group matters and also how much healing you do, as a main AST myself who does savage on it... 400 DPS is way way lower than you should be doing with the gear you have. Even if you heal a lot or have to eve raise sometimes you should still be hitting 1000+ at least.

    Doing 400 means you weren't really putting in any effort to DPS much at all. Demon does have high consistent damage, but there are times where you can throw quite a bit of healer DPS at him when he isn't doing much.

    Having 400 at the end while dying to enrage means you aren't utilizing the time you had to DPS effectively. People can do the same HPS as you while doing 1000 more DPS which is where the critique would come from about your 400 DPS: You can do the same HPS, but do way more than 400 DPS all at the same time.

    If it is beyond your current skill at AST to do higher than that then I understand, but I would still encourage you to work at it to become more comfortable with it. When it comes to Savage you should be able to DPS more than that on healer. I would suggest practicing more at handling healing and DPS simultaneously to increase your overall experience and skill on AST and WHM.

    Also for best results practice the ABC - Always Be Casting rule. If you waste GCDs by spending too much time without using any ability it can cost you a lot of HPS and DPS in general.

    Disclaimer: This post has zero malice. I am simply trying to help and give a bit of advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
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    Thank you for your reply.
    I usually do around 650- 800 dps but in that party I was the only one healing and raising, I cast all the time without downtime. (other than the pink color of O6S because it was my first time and was scared about it)
    I am sorry but I really felt like the sch could have changed to dps and it would have been the same result.
    My first goal is to keep ppl alive and buff them, I don't care to get in the fflog top 100 in DPS as healer.
    I don't even have a parser because I was in first server static in FFXI and it burned my soul down.
    I do look a bit FFlogs if someone parsed to see if I overhealed too much, but rarely I check the dps.

    On the other day, I went with an other party, the healer was marvelous, we dpsed, we healed, we raised...we where never out of mp.(and I did again pink)
    And we killed the O6S boss at 30% hp.
    Sometimes the numbers change a lot if everyone does his basic job first and then think about FFlogs.
    Also I do understand that me not being in a static but in random party makes each fight different each time.
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    Last edited by Mayku; 04-13-2018 at 03:00 AM.