Is this truly wrong?

[KaivaC]

You want my honest advice?
Stop using it.
Take a break....focus on just the game..enjoying it...playing it as good as you know you can.
Don't obsess over numbers.

This is why I refuse such tools...its a trap. Even others I've known to use it are dropping them....its just toxic to yourself and others around you.
What it comes down too is if you give a damn...it will show in your play style. Once you know what you need to know...numbers are nothing...its just practice...and will power.
As I've said to others...already know I suck....numbers won't change that. All I can do is keep trying. :P
*Love your new image on your sig btw <3 *
And for crying out loud..remember you're human. You will make mistakes. People who forget this are better off leaving.

No...it was good back in Deltascape because I had a base line, and went in with multiple classes to figure out what felt natural to me. I was good with SAM until I heard about them being excluded (ironically, I haven't seen it happening after I dropped SAM to keep up with the PFs). Then it was RDM for Shinryu Ex, which was fine, but it was around that time that a static I filled in for mentioned my low numbers. I didn't really start caring about where my percentile was at until Sigmascape.

I still don't feel that FFLOGs itself is bad...I just wish that right now, I didn't know about it. It isn't as if I'll not check when I do my runs, because I know I will, so I dunno...guess you could call this obsession?

*Love your new image on your sig btw <3 *

Oh no...don't try to break me out of this sadness. Let me be mad >.<
I found a really good artist who drew it for me. The signature is only showing 1/3 of the full picture.

[Alien_Gamer]

You've gone from 9th percentile to 50th...from far below average to an average raider...and you say you're regressing? That actually sounds like an accomplishment to me.

There is a phrase i learned in school to the effect of "the first 80% of something will be done in 20% of the time, the last 20% will take up the rest". Its easy to make the big strides to get something done, such as going from not using combos to using them, to using your buffs with your combos but the fine points in refining your rotation is what will take the time and dedication to perfect; its not something anyone develops quickly.

Keep trying and little by little you'll improve. It'll be hard, frustrating, aggravating and you'll have a lot of set backs but don't give up on it and you'll get there.

[Mayku]

I had that feeling 3 days ago, I went for my weekly o6s in PF and we wiped over & over again on 1% .

I was Ast and a Mch who parsed complained I did 400dps when the sch did 2000dps, he said he could do 2500dps "easy" as a whm.

I told him I did most of the heals, buff everyone with cards + did pink mechanic that I wasn't use to (but didn't failed). That I am ok to try to dps more but that every time 5 dps died on instant death mech to max their dps, and it should give us the 1% missing.

I left sad, I am a healer I want to first heal, do mech, then buff, then dps...
A friend went to FFlogs and saw that I did 91% of the heals with less overheals than the sch.

How many times did I see ppl not buffing up pt's, not helping raising, not using CD's, not avoiding aoe's...Just for their parses. Is that being good at their job?

So we shouldn't focus on others dps, neither feel bad about us if we do the mech and the basics of our job before the high dps focus.

[Granyala]

I really wish FFLogs didn't exist, because it makes me feel as though I'm constantly under pressure to perform flawlessly in savage when I'd normally be able to just be happy with something being dead. I find myself being bothered by even small mistakes like missing a GCD while Trick Attack is active lately.

As a good DPS such mistakes should bother you. Just as any overheal bothers the crap out of me, despite WHM being a mana-god and OH not mattering that much.

Ofc you should not be bothered to the point of losing the fun. Avoid people that discriminate over logs. Important thing is still that the boss dies w/o too much trouble. In my 8+ years of raiding experience, doing mechanics cleanly is infinitely more valuable than raw DPS. Sure both is awesome but also exceedingly rare. As an officer, I always preferred reliable players with a little less DPS over E-Peen fixated ones that skimp on every mechanic possible and play at maximum risk for parses.

There is a phrase i learned in school to the effect of "the first 80% of something will be done in 20% of the time, the last 20% will take up the rest".

In music it's: "The last 5% polish take 95% of the entire effort".
It's easy to get the hang of general melody and rhythm, making it a fluent performance with very few mistakes... HARD. Raiding is pathetically easy by comparison.

[KaivaC]

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Oh, I don't really run with a group (yet) for Savage. Part of it is I work rough hours (hence why I'm most active on the forums while most folks are sound asleep) and the other part is that the last actual static that I played with during Shinryu Ex, I felt so bad because I was holding them back from getting a clear. For three hours. I dunno why they kept encouraging me - I know most other statics would've kicked, so I'm grateful, but afraid of having that happening to someone else if I get involved with an actual static.

You've gone from 9th percentile to 50th...from far below average to an average raider...and you say you're regressing? That actually sounds like an accomplishment to me.

I might've typed too fast to realize what I was saying, but the 9th percentile is in Savage for most of those runs. The 50th percentile I recently obtained was in O8 Normal, and is, in my opinion, worse than what I was pulling last month on Savage fights because those are generally much harder. I have no idea what I pulled this week on O5, O6, and O7.

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I have a similar mentality when I do break out AST - heals and buffs take precedence over DPS, so at least with that class, I personally don't mind not breaking 1000DPS if I'm shouldering the load of healing so my co-healer can DPS more. I also don't really care so much about individual players' DPS as opposed to raid DPS if we hit enrage.

[Granyala]

I had that feeling 3 days ago, I went for my weekly o6s in PF and we wiped over & over again on 1% .
I was Ast and a Mch who parsed complained I did 400dps when the sch did 2000dps, he said he could do 2500dps "easy" as a whm.

2.5K "easy" in a PF group? I call bollocks on that one.
Even in a group that plays perfectly that would be hard to do.

Also, his trolling is quite obvious if he nags at a healer for DPS when there are DPS players dying due to mechanics lol.

I dunno why they kept encouraging me - I know most other statics would've kicked, so I'm grateful, but afraid of having that happening to someone else if I get involved with an actual static.

Not exactly sure how experienced you are both with your class and with savage raiding in general but please keep in mind that it will take a few patch cycles (meaning years) to truly get used to it, have a good general overview of the battlefield and stay calm in most situations (exp near kill situations when the heart gets pumping). Staying cool and making rational split second decisions is the real secret of a good player.

Give yourself time.

As for the 9 vs 50: Yeah a lot of crap people log themselves in normal, that's why I said that 80% should be easy. It's way more difficult to get a nice healing log in normal b/c there simply isn't enough to heal (and I refuse to pump unnecessary OH)

[micropanther7]

Apologies in advance for the really looong post, well long for me anyways... but I feel it needs to be said, it's heartfelt and with the best intentions so if I do cause offense then accept my sincere apologies for that as well.

I've been playing MMO's for quite a long time now, and I'm probably old enough to be a Mum to most of you (yes I AM gonna probably sound like your mother lol). I've seen too many younger people run themselves ragged trying to be the utmost best they can be, I've also met a fair few young gamers who suffer from various mental health and/or physical issues.. to be honest it makes me very sad to hear some of the stuff you guys been through, and see myself when I was younger, I didn't get the right sort of help I needed.

I have now thank goodness *thumbs up* so I'm gonna pass on some of what I learnt, with help from experience and good people I've met in my life.

1. Look after your mental health first, if you're strong in heart and mind you can take anything that's thrown at you, get the right support for the love of god, FIGHT for it, you have the right to it.

2. It's great you push yourself to be the best But you gotta know when it's time to let it go.. take a break, do something silly that makes you laugh.. you will burn yourself out and that will trigger depression, anxiety.. but I think most of you know that already

3. You don't need anyone's approval or permission to know your self worth, trust yourself you can do better, and stop being so hard on your selves (yes I'm not just talking to Kaiva ) I mean it, don't make me come over there >.>

Ok, enough from me, I'm out, enough nagging

[Granyala]

2. It's great you push yourself to be the best But you gotta know when it's time to let it go.

3. You don't need anyone's approval or permission to know your self worth

2) Absolutely agree on that one. In fact I always assessed what effort would be required, cut off the top 5% performance and got through with great (but not the best) values while being relaxed. That way I avoided the strain of trying to "beat everyone" yet still never held my team back because I was among the most skilled of them.

3) Sorry to be harsh here but if you look for self worth and approval of others in a video game, you already have severe mental issues that need to be addressed out there in the fabled thing called "real life".
You know the game with super realistic graphics but really monotonous and boring gameplay.

[micropanther7]

2) Absolutely agree on that one. In fact I always assessed what effort would be required, cut off the top 5% performance and got through with great (but not the best) values while being relaxed. That way I avoided the strain of trying to "beat everyone" yet still never held my team back because I was among the most skilled of them.

3) Sorry to be harsh here but if you look for self worth and approval of others in a video game, you already have severe mental issues that need to be addressed out there in the fabled thing called "real life".
You know the game with super realistic graphics but really monotonous and boring gameplay.

Oh yeah I totally agree there, with both your points! I think your approach and mindset is really good on how you raid And you're not being harsh, just realistic, I've had a few verbal kicks up the backside from my best friend she's pretty blunt lol... I got addicted to gaming, it was my whole world, the only way to break the habit was I gave my power cords to my best friend, best thing I ever did. I used to get bad migraines, pains from bad posture, I limit my gaming to couple hours now, two nights a week give or take

Edited to add: ugh sorry Kaiva, just realised I kind of derailed the thread a bit >.< Please don't punt me >.<

[Granyala]

I think your approach and mindset is really good on how you raid

Raided, my dear. Raided. I am retired now and observe young whippersnappers getting cleaved in half from my veranda.
Was rather hilarious though: I went into Omega savage 5/6/7 the other day in order to help out. Apart from being rusty it was interesting how easily and quickly it all came back to me.
The difference between O6 and 7 gave me a good chuckle though. What a cliff.

But alas, after 8.5yrs of active raiding I am done with the "scheduled" gameplay thing. Helping out now and then, sure but planning evenings around raids, being there whether you really feel like playing or not because your people need you to progress ... naah. I rather poke away at my piano these days.

PS: Kudos for getting over your addiction!