Is this truly wrong?

[Kitfox]

... I took some time to work on SMN and 'git gud'...

You say that but I took a look at your logs and you basically have no idea how to play SMN, at least based on the most recent log I found (April 4th). You won't be able to keep up with others if you don't even know how to do your basic rotation, much less be able to do it perfectly while under pressure in live encounters. Practicing a lot won't make a difference if you're practicing the wrong things after all. The good news is that it's easy to fix!

I suggest you join The Balance Discord SMN channels for the most recent theorycrafting, gear and rotation information. After you know what to do, you can practice doing it well. Good luck on your journey!

[KaivaC]

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My point is thus proven. I keep regressing and it just becomes more irritating. Even when I think I'm doing good, I'm playing like this and it's quite irritating. Not directed at you, but some may mock me for getting incredibly depressed over this, but this is what it is. Somebody earlier said 'welcome to reality'...this is my reality. Getting this upset and irritated over something as dumb as what is being recorded on fflogs...but this is what my reality is like. One thing I will never be ashamed of is being honest about myself. If I say I feel like I'm regressing...well, I have provided proof of what my 'progress' looks like after nearly two weeks away from the forums to work on it.

[NephthysVasudan]

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You want my honest advice?
Stop using it.
Take a break....focus on just the game..enjoying it...playing it as good as you know you can.
Don't obsess over numbers.

This is why I refuse such tools...its a trap. Even others I've known to use it are dropping them....its just toxic to yourself and others around you.
What it comes down too is if you give a damn...it will show in your play style. Once you know what you need to know...numbers are nothing...its just practice...and will power.
As I've said to others...already know I suck....numbers won't change that. All I can do is keep trying. :P
*Love your new image on your sig btw <3 *
And for crying out loud..remember you're human. You will make mistakes. People who forget this are better off leaving.

[KaivaC]

You want my honest advice?
Stop using it.
Take a break....focus on just the game..enjoying it...playing it as good as you know you can.
Don't obsess over numbers.

This is why I refuse such tools...its a trap. Even others I've known to use it are dropping them....its just toxic to yourself and others around you.
What it comes down too is if you give a damn...it will show in your play style. Once you know what you need to know...numbers are nothing...its just practice...and will power.
As I've said to others...already know I suck....numbers won't change that. All I can do is keep trying. :P
*Love your new image on your sig btw <3 *
And for crying out loud..remember you're human. You will make mistakes. People who forget this are better off leaving.

No...it was good back in Deltascape because I had a base line, and went in with multiple classes to figure out what felt natural to me. I was good with SAM until I heard about them being excluded (ironically, I haven't seen it happening after I dropped SAM to keep up with the PFs). Then it was RDM for Shinryu Ex, which was fine, but it was around that time that a static I filled in for mentioned my low numbers. I didn't really start caring about where my percentile was at until Sigmascape.

I still don't feel that FFLOGs itself is bad...I just wish that right now, I didn't know about it. It isn't as if I'll not check when I do my runs, because I know I will, so I dunno...guess you could call this obsession?

*Love your new image on your sig btw <3 *

Oh no...don't try to break me out of this sadness. Let me be mad >.<
I found a really good artist who drew it for me. The signature is only showing 1/3 of the full picture.

[Mayku]

I had that feeling 3 days ago, I went for my weekly o6s in PF and we wiped over & over again on 1% .

I was Ast and a Mch who parsed complained I did 400dps when the sch did 2000dps, he said he could do 2500dps "easy" as a whm.

I told him I did most of the heals, buff everyone with cards + did pink mechanic that I wasn't use to (but didn't failed). That I am ok to try to dps more but that every time 5 dps died on instant death mech to max their dps, and it should give us the 1% missing.

I left sad, I am a healer I want to first heal, do mech, then buff, then dps...
A friend went to FFlogs and saw that I did 91% of the heals with less overheals than the sch.

How many times did I see ppl not buffing up pt's, not helping raising, not using CD's, not avoiding aoe's...Just for their parses. Is that being good at their job?

So we shouldn't focus on others dps, neither feel bad about us if we do the mech and the basics of our job before the high dps focus.

[KaivaC]

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Oh, I don't really run with a group (yet) for Savage. Part of it is I work rough hours (hence why I'm most active on the forums while most folks are sound asleep) and the other part is that the last actual static that I played with during Shinryu Ex, I felt so bad because I was holding them back from getting a clear. For three hours. I dunno why they kept encouraging me - I know most other statics would've kicked, so I'm grateful, but afraid of having that happening to someone else if I get involved with an actual static.

You've gone from 9th percentile to 50th...from far below average to an average raider...and you say you're regressing? That actually sounds like an accomplishment to me.

I might've typed too fast to realize what I was saying, but the 9th percentile is in Savage for most of those runs. The 50th percentile I recently obtained was in O8 Normal, and is, in my opinion, worse than what I was pulling last month on Savage fights because those are generally much harder. I have no idea what I pulled this week on O5, O6, and O7.

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I have a similar mentality when I do break out AST - heals and buffs take precedence over DPS, so at least with that class, I personally don't mind not breaking 1000DPS if I'm shouldering the load of healing so my co-healer can DPS more. I also don't really care so much about individual players' DPS as opposed to raid DPS if we hit enrage.

[Alien_Gamer]

I might've typed too fast to realize what I was saying, but the 9th percentile is in Savage for most of those runs. The 50th percentile I recently obtained was in O8 Normal, and is, in my opinion, worse than what I was pulling last month on Savage fights because those are generally much harder. I have no idea what I pulled this week on O5, O6, and O7.

Ah, I see. But if that's what you're doing then you're only making things harder for yourself. Savage and HM are different fights, they have the same base but savage does more damage and has more mechanics. You are comparing apples to oranges and wondering why you're faltering; you are using the correlation between savage and hm to determine your change in performance and you can't really do that. If you want to accurately test your performance then you need to test your performance on the same thing. If you're at 9% 2 weeks ago then run with a friend a few times in Savage to get your performance now. Doing what you're doing is basically guessing without any facts and as you've already stated, you're very hard on yourself therefore your guesses aren't going to be in your favor.

Honestly, even if all you've done is go up 5% in 2 weeks I'd call that successful training; in a limited timeframe you've shown improvement of your skills. Is a 5% increase your goal? Nope, nor would I suggest you should stop there if you aren't happy with it but it is proof that you're progressing, that you're improving. I don't want to dictate how you should play but I'd suggest that perfection should not be your goal, just steady improvement and aim for that 1-2% increase each week until you hit the 80th+ percentile. Aim for a goal that you know you can achieve, you'll feel better about it each week and some weeks you may even surprise yourself with higher improvements. Expecting 10% increases each week is only going to set yourself up for failure and make you feel worse.

[Miste]

I was Ast and a Mch who parsed complained I did 400dps when the sch did 2000dps, he said he could do 2500dps "easy" as a whm.

I left sad, I am a healer I want to first heal, do mech, then buff, then dps...
A friend went to FFlogs and saw that I did 91% of the heals with less overheals than the sch.

Well first, try not to be sad about it. It wasn't a good experience, but we all have to remember this is a game.

Second, the SCH saying he can do 2500 on WHM "easy" isn't really relevant if you are playing AST. AST personal DPS capability is a lot lower than WHM...but....

While it is true the group matters and also how much healing you do, as a main AST myself who does savage on it... 400 DPS is way way lower than you should be doing with the gear you have. Even if you heal a lot or have to eve raise sometimes you should still be hitting 1000+ at least.

Doing 400 means you weren't really putting in any effort to DPS much at all. Demon does have high consistent damage, but there are times where you can throw quite a bit of healer DPS at him when he isn't doing much.

Having 400 at the end while dying to enrage means you aren't utilizing the time you had to DPS effectively. People can do the same HPS as you while doing 1000 more DPS which is where the critique would come from about your 400 DPS: You can do the same HPS, but do way more than 400 DPS all at the same time.

If it is beyond your current skill at AST to do higher than that then I understand, but I would still encourage you to work at it to become more comfortable with it. When it comes to Savage you should be able to DPS more than that on healer. I would suggest practicing more at handling healing and DPS simultaneously to increase your overall experience and skill on AST and WHM.

Also for best results practice the ABC - Always Be Casting rule. If you waste GCDs by spending too much time without using any ability it can cost you a lot of HPS and DPS in general.

Disclaimer: This post has zero malice. I am simply trying to help and give a bit of advice.

[Mayku]

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Thank you for your reply.
I usually do around 650- 800 dps but in that party I was the only one healing and raising, I cast all the time without downtime. (other than the pink color of O6S because it was my first time and was scared about it)
I am sorry but I really felt like the sch could have changed to dps and it would have been the same result.
My first goal is to keep ppl alive and buff them, I don't care to get in the fflog top 100 in DPS as healer.
I don't even have a parser because I was in first server static in FFXI and it burned my soul down.
I do look a bit FFlogs if someone parsed to see if I overhealed too much, but rarely I check the dps.

On the other day, I went with an other party, the healer was marvelous, we dpsed, we healed, we raised...we where never out of mp.(and I did again pink)
And we killed the O6S boss at 30% hp.
Sometimes the numbers change a lot if everyone does his basic job first and then think about FFlogs.
Also I do understand that me not being in a static but in random party makes each fight different each time.