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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Uriel Valesti
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    So primal farms are "important" but dungeons aren't?

    And what Primals are we talking about here? Not only that but anyone who would lock out a WHM just because they are a WHM is pretty dumb. Even if a SCH or AST brings more rDPS, that's mostly only at the highest level of play...
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    Ea Sin
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    So primal farms are "important" but dungeons aren't?
    And what Primals are we talking about here? Not only that but anyone who would lock out a WHM just because they are a WHM is pretty dumb. Even if a SCH or AST brings more rDPS, that's mostly only at the highest level of play...
    I'm not saying locking based off of meta is a good thing. It is however something that always happens, the only thing that ever changes are the classes. Also, the rdps gap isn't only at the highest level of play. It's pretty much across the board which is understandable because classes are designed with strong and weak points in mind. The highest levels of play just show an accurate picture of how large/small those class differences are.

    To speak to your mention of dungeons, they are pretty irrelevant in the context of this discussion for several reasons (the context being the WHM's position in the current healer line up).
    First off you run them in DF so you don't run the chance of getting potentially locked out of them.
    Secondly, they hardly require any healing anyways so it matters very little who your healer is. Heck, even expert dungeons could be done with a RDM or probably even just a PLD tank instead of a healer.
    Lastly, there aren't enough people in party for your raid utility to warrant notice. It's mostly all about personal performance and AoE which is why WHM shines in this setting. The content is already biased in that way so you can't use it for balance.

    I think the WHM, as it is, is fine as far as healing and dps output go. It's a good class that is a pure healer, easy to play, and shines during progression and leveling. It's fine, but the nature of the class also means that once progression is done and gear is capped WHM loses a lot of it's value in comparison to the other two healers. That was the very reason it was getting locked out at the end of HW and the reason why I expect things to be similar moving forward.
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    Last edited by EaMett; 04-02-2018 at 04:46 PM.

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    Estelle9lives's Avatar
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    Estellise Ciel
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    That was the very reason it was getting locked out at the end of HW and the reason why I expect things to be similar moving forward.
    To be fair, WHM was locked out on 3.4 due to the fact it was basically AST without the insane Balance cards - 10% damage increase for 40s right at the beginning was ridiculous, and that is only one card. Back then the only thing it brought to the table when compared to AST was Cure III, which... Was basically useless on every fight that wasn't A12S, coupled with the fact it had mana issues so you couldn't exactly spam it like you can now.

    Right now WHM has even higher individual DPS output while also being able to output massive, reliable burst healing with Thin Air Cure III+PI at any time as opposed to AST/SCH, which have their burst locked behind cooldowns, is able to cast 0 MP Raises and Benediction is strong skill with it's CD reduced to 180s. Naturally these qualities lose value when content is on farm, but I think it's in a pretty good spot as the fail-safe/progression healer. It's much better than HW, when its identity was basically just a worse AST.
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