Should WHM get a personal damage buff?

[lulunami]

Over on the tank and DPS forums, there is a lot of talk about damage numbers with respect to damage steroids. Players argue about personal damage vs raid damage and how certain jobs numbers should be boosted. You may have seen SAM or BLM complain about how their DPS numbers should be buffed to compete against other jobs. Same with how WAR complained against PLD again, and DRK feeling left behind since 4.0.

AST and SCH are currently the so called best healer composition for high damage output. WHM is cited as having low DPS utility since they lack a raid damage steroid.

Should WHM have their personal DPS increased to balance out for their lack of raid damage buffs? In effect would WHM having damage numbers equivalent to AST with average card luck be a good thing?

[IttyBitty]

Even with higher personal damage output, WHM would still technically be in the same place as SAM. Personal DPS increases, while nice, would still see them benched because of how powerful buffs are when stacked. WHM at least can cling to the "progression healer" title.

Removing raidwide buffs/<damagetype> resistance down debuffs is really the only way to shake things up, but I wouldn't necessarily say that's a good thing in itself.

[Shurrikhan]

Even with higher personal damage output, WHM would still technically be in the same place as SAM.

That's a truly useless analog. SAM personal DPS only beats out Monk on God Kefka and Guardian. It's not a cautionary tale of the limitations of having no indirect or interdependent damage; it's an example of undertuning.

All SAM needs -- and WHM by the same idea -- is competitive total DPS (sum of both personal and direct). That can just as easily come 100% from personal damage; it absolutely does not matter. It just needs to lead to very close effective output. That's it.

[IttyBitty]

it's an example of undertuning.

Congratulations, you found the point.

SE has shown time and time again they are not going to tune "selfish" classes to have competitive output in comparison to the total pDPS and rDPS contributions of a class with DPS utility. Likely because it makes them far more powerful in solo/4-man content, and SE cares about that for whatever reason.

[Shurrikhan]

Congratulations, you found the point.

SE has shown time and time again they are not going to tune "selfish" classes to have competitive output in comparison to the total pDPS and rDPS contributions of a class with DPS utility. Likely because it makes them far more powerful in solo/4-man content, and SE cares about that for whatever reason.

And you've missed it.

If the problem with its rDPS was that it's a "selfish" class, it wouldn't have less personal DPS than a non-selfish class, and wouldn't be unique in that condition, while BLM tops personal damage dealt to the boss on all but, by the thinnest of margins, Sigma 1S and 2S -- both of which are taken by Monk, both by a vast lead over other non-selfish classes and in all but one case, over SAM.

It's simply not properly tuned presently. That's it. Raid tools and actual parses, both, should not have a Monk outperforming a SAM in personal DPS. Nor should the theoretical maximum DPS for a BLM, an equally "selfish" class, be noticeably higher than for a SAM.

[VanilleFang]

WHM is in a good spot right now. It does a ridiculous amount of damage already, for a healer. Anymore damage on WHM would be ridiculously strong... AST and SCH is good for fast clears if everyone does their job correctly. On the flip side WHM is the best healer for progression because of the raw power it brings...

WHM is more a "I can do it without having to rely on others" healer. SCH and AST, to get the most damage, need to have allies who can make the most out of their damage buffs.

[Risvertasashi]

WHM is in a good spot right now. It does a ridiculous amount of damage already, for a healer.

SCH does more, by a wide margin, in addition to bringing the raid buff.

(In raids. Yeah yeah holy spam dungeons etc etc)

[VanilleFang]

SCH does more, by a wide margin, in addition to bringing the raid buff.

(In raids. Yeah yeah holy spam dungeons etc etc)

Yeah. I mostly meant Holy spam. >_>

[Risvertasashi]

Yeah. I mostly meant Holy spam. >_>

The problem with looking at it like this is... no one PF recruits or goes to raid recruiter discords for dungeons. In a raid setting, however...

[VanilleFang]

The problem with looking at it like this is... no one PF recruits or goes to raid recruiter discords for dungeons. In a raid setting, however...

Buffing WHM purely for more raid efficiency will also buff WHM in non-raid scenarios. WHM doesn't need buffs. I dont want to see WHM become broken and then nerfed into uselessness.