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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    The problem with looking at it like this is... no one PF recruits or goes to raid recruiter discords for dungeons. In a raid setting, however...
    Buffing WHM purely for more raid efficiency will also buff WHM in non-raid scenarios. WHM doesn't need buffs. I dont want to see WHM become broken and then nerfed into uselessness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Buffing WHM purely for more raid efficiency will also buff WHM in non-raid scenarios. WHM doesn't need buffs. I dont want to see WHM become broken and then nerfed into uselessness.
    I never said WHM needed buffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I agree that SCH does more dps in a raid setting than WHM when you factor in Chain Stratagem but it seems like you're trying to say there is a wide margin in the personal dps of WHM and SCH... this is untrue.
    I suppose 'wide' is subjective. SCH has a noticeable lead over WHM in personal DPS, then? About the same lead that WHM has over AST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    I suppose 'wide' is subjective. SCH has a noticeable lead over WHM in personal DPS, then? About the same lead that WHM has over AST.
    I can't find any evidence of this. I'm trying to, I want to understand where you're coming from because it isn't what I see when I play. I'm looking through Byakko, o5s and o6s because those are currently in PF and they're fights I understand.

    Looking through speedkill rankings WHM appears to have the strongest personal DPS of the healers. Looking through boss damage rankings in those same fights (even though top parses in those are generally cheesed) WHM dps tends to be on par or slightly better than SCH.

    I'm just not sure what you're talking about here.

    I will admit I'm no fflogs expert, I haven't been using it very long and I can't parse myself because I play on ps4. If there is something I'm missing please explain but as far as I can see WHM has the strongest personal dps of the three healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I can't find any evidence of this. I'm trying to, I want to understand where you're coming from because it isn't what I see when I play. I'm looking through Byakko, o5s and o6s because those are currently in PF and they're fights I understand.
    Ok, the gap seems to have closed a bit since last I looked. Last I checked in Delta it was SCH > WHM > AST with WHM cleanly in the middle. Now WHM is slightly above the middle.



    edit: So I did some digging through my history, I guess the old frame of reference used to discuss on the forums was o2s.

    But here's o6s if you'd rather look at that (which is probably better because uptime):



    And here's the really old one that came up in 4.0:



    But it does vary a bit on the fight, WHM does seem to catch up more on fights with lower uptime. More PoM during damage windows I guess?
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    Last edited by Risvertasashi; 03-29-2018 at 06:56 PM.