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    AST needs an extra instant cast damage spell

    In contrast to HW what they have basically done is:
    -Removed Aero (18s) due to the purge of the cross class system
    -Increased the duration of Combust to 30s from 18s
    -Significantly increased the amount of ogcds
    -Increased the mp cost of A.Benefic making it no longer as viable for double weaving or movement.

    At the moment we only have one instant cast damage spell every 30s which makes the job very clunky to play due to the massive overload of ogcds AST has now.
    Whm and Sch both have it a lot easier to get around their ogcds. Aero's duration is only 18s and it also has its initial 30 potency on hit. Not to mention Regen only costing 840 mp compared to AST's 1440. Sch has Ruin 2 and Miasma 2 giving it a really easy time.

    I propose SE gives AST something like Ruin 2 (bring Stella back as an instant cast?) or a dot that has a weaker potency than your Malefic 3 to counter the majority of the clipping issue. Nothing job breaking but would make it more fun and engaging to play.
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    Selena Schwarz
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinKreiss View Post
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    Give everyone else more insta-heals? There's balance for you.
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    make us choose between lord and lady of crowns.
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Wasn't Stella removed because it was trash? During HW I don't think there was ever any reason to use Stella outside inflicting Heavy. I suppose if AST had it now, even at it's awful 100 potency, they could still use it for weaving? Still pretty weak and terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Wasn't Stella removed because it was trash? During HW I don't think there was ever any reason to use Stella outside inflicting Heavy. I suppose if AST had it now, even at it's awful 100 potency, they could still use it for weaving? Still pretty weak and terrible.
    Stella was decent in PVP, I used it a ton. Sadly, with the new PVP changes there was no need for it to exist anymore, so it was removed. Beautiful animation gone to waste.

    Tbh though I'd be fine with Combust II and Combust I being made separate again (maybe both instant-cast to deal with the clipping issue AST has with cards? idk, I'd rather cards just not be so animation-locky myself, so that you can fit the card draw AND use into a single oGCD). It seems like semantics but upkeeping two DoTs IS more interesting than upkeeping one long-ass one and spamming a filler in between. AST DPS is some of the most boring garbage on the planet, which sucks because you're forced into it so often due to encounter design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    AST DPS is some of the most boring garbage on the planet, which sucks because you're forced into it so often due to encounter design.
    I used to enjoy AST in Heavensward, but this is what severely hurt my interest come Stormblood. It's just so mindless even compared to White Mage, the often cited "dull" healer. I know the devs likely assumed you'll be preoccupied with cards, however it doesn't take that long to figure out what you want to do with them. Whenever I AST, I'm more or less begging to solo half the mechanics just so I can break up the monotony of Malefic III spam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.
    You could legit half the potency of Malefic III to compensate and I wouldn't care. It may seem silly, but I simply want another button to press.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 03-29-2018 at 04:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    Stella was decent in PVP, I used it a ton.
    I loved Stella in PvP. I would be on Discord with my teammates and I would be yelling STELLLAAAAAAAAAAAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintersandman View Post
    I loved Stella in PvP. I would be on Discord with my teammates and I would be yelling STELLLAAAAAAAAAAAA


    Is this you?
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    Marius Heilstos
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Wasn't Stella removed because it was trash? During HW I don't think there was ever any reason to use Stella outside inflicting Heavy. I suppose if AST had it now, even at it's awful 100 potency, they could still use it for weaving? Still pretty weak and terrible.
    Hey VanilleFang,

    Befor Patch 4.2 I had the same Idea with Stella as Instand cast. Like this :



    On reddit an user wrote something about my idea:

    At.. 2.5 GCD, Malefic 3 is 220/2.5 = 88 potency/s, animation lock I think is around.. 0.75 (I believe latency might affect the total animation lock though, double weaving the draw + something else feels pretty bad)

    If you just clip your dot and cut the Malefic, over the course of 2 mins (where you could end up weaving 13 times in full offense, partly due to Redraw, and 3 EDs used), ends up with only needing at least 102.5 potency (at 0ms delay, value only drops from there, down to 94.11 at 80ms) on Stella to make it worth it. (150 potency is around a 3% dps increase or so, 137 is a 2% increase or so, 170 potency is a 4.44% increase or so)
    From the user "AbyssArray"

    Link: A small idea that would make playing AST a little more fluid.

    So 100 DP is okay. If you want more to make it better than we can make it to 102,5 DP :P

    I like to see that the Stella reborn wishes are there. I can understand Lin Kreiss. The Ast have much OGCDs and to less instands to compensate this card system.

    And to Tanathya:

    Give everyone else more insta-heals? There's balance for you.
    In this case, nothing is wrong. If you ask why, I can explain it.^^

    At Level 70 "Aspected Benefic" costs 1440 mana. If you compare this now with Helios, you will quickly notice that an instant spell costs exactly as much as an AoE heal.

    You do not want to spam this heal, because you mess up your whole mana. SE made a great Job here, balance with Manacosts. -> Thanks to nocturnal shield Buff at the start from stormblood...
    More shield = much more Manacosts :P
    In the Time of HW "Aspected Benefic" cost 1/3 like it is now.
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    Last edited by Heilstos; 03-28-2018 at 06:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    And to Tanathya:



    In this case, nothing is wrong. If you ask why, I can explain it.^^

    At Level 70 "Aspected Benefic" costs 1440 mana. If you compare this now with Helios, you will quickly notice that an instant spell costs exactly as much as an AoE heal.

    You do not want to spam this heal, because you mess up your whole mana. SE made a great Job here, balance with Manacosts. -> Thanks to nocturnal shield Buff at the start from stormblood...
    More shield = much more Manacosts :P
    In the Time of HW "Aspected Benefic" cost 1/3 like it is now.
    It was rethorical.
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