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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Your own example of the Sundrop dance answers that. It's based on a traditionally masculine dance, so of course it looks more natural performed by male characters.
    My own example was to stress the problem at the core of the matter and was introduced as a joke, not to be used to support this. I HATE that the women barely move when they perform that dance, which is why I was so happy that they actually move when performing the Moonlift dance. And oh look, they CAN move in the exact same way as the guys, like most of the optional dances in the game. Mog dance, Gold dance, Thavnairian dance - how's that for male charas moving fluidly and dare I say seductively? It already exists in the game.

    if you intend them to look dignified and elegant, you probably shouldn't.
    A highly subjective take which I disagree with you about.

    This reminds me of the latest summer event where if I dared enjoy the physique of the male charas in their banana hammocks I frigging lost the quest. Sorry for also being into guys, SE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    My own example was to stress the problem at the core of the matter and was introduced as a joke, not to be used to support this. I HATE that the women barely move when they perform that dance, which is why I was so happy that they actually move when performing the Moonlift dance.
    It nonetheless is an example in-point. If the OP was concerned about movements that look inappropriate or absurd when performed by one gender or the other, then simply implementing the same skill with multiple animations would be a workable solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    To stress the point, if you already acknowledge there's a set of movements that you'd accept for male charas, why not just have that be the unisex movement set instead of insist on what you imagine as a more feminine movement set?
    That would potentially create the same problem in reverse for female characters. I haven't insisted on anything. I was simply pointing out that the OP's concerns could be addressed in a less extreme manner than implementing a whole job for one gender only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    It nonetheless is an example in-point. If the OP was concerned about movements that look inappropriate or absurd when performed by one gender or the other, then simply implementing the same skill with multiple animations would be a workable solution.
    Movements are gender neutral. And as I said before in my post that you ignored completely, we already have examples where females perform masculine movements while men perform what some might call feminine. What you find to be 'absurd' is highly subjective and if you do find a male Roe performing the near eastern or even far eastern dances to be 'ridiculous' I recommend taking a moment to think about the why of the matter. And if you want to say their size is the matter, ask yourself if you're equally bothered by a fem Roe performing the same moves.

    That would potentially create the same problem in reverse for female characters.
    Because you're thinking in extremes. It's not a binary switch, it's a scale. Not every dance has to be the Sundrop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    Movements are gender neutral. And as I said before in my post that you ignored completely, we already have examples where females perform masculine movements while men perform what some might call feminine. What you find to be 'absurd' is highly subjective and if you do find a male Roe performing the near eastern or even far eastern dances to be 'ridiculous' I recommend taking a moment to think about the why of the matter. And if you want to say their size is the matter, ask yourself if you're equally bothered by a fem Roe performing the same moves.



    Because you're thinking in extremes. It's not a binary switch, it's a scale. Not every dance has to be the Sundrop.
    Not every dance has to be exactly the same either (and indeed, we also have examples where the movements are not the same). You're right that absurdity is subjective, but the perspective that matters is that of SE. Considering their track record, how would you imagine they would regard the matter?
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