Some possibly controversial thoughts about a dancer addition

[BillyKaplan]

I want to also point out the irony regarding dancing already existing in XIV. Look at any guy vs. any lady doing the Sundrop dance and you look me in the eye and tell me women should be the dancers in this game :P

[ko_]

I want to also point out the irony regarding dancing already existing in XIV. Look at any guy vs. any lady doing the Sundrop dance and you look me in the eye and tell me women are the superior dancers in this game :P

I think women do look better doing that dance... and the moogle dance. Men in this game just look so .. off doing those dances in my opinion.

[BillyKaplan]

I think women do look better doing that dance...

If ignoring half the movements required for the dance and hardly moving anything waist down is better in your opinion, I don't know what to say to you. That dance is by far one of the more glaring examples of sexist views against women in this game imo. The fact they 'nerfed' the movement for the female Vanu themselves makes this even worse.

and the moogle dance. Men in this game just look so .. off doing those dances in my opinion.

The only real difference for the moogle dance is which way they spin. Anything else is your bias talking

[Rongway]

"Shoulds" of DNC:

• Be a Disciple of War.
• Be a DEX job.
• Use fans or some other heretofore unseen but clearly DEX-based weapon.
• Share general gear with NIN.
• Be a healer.
• Allow anybody who wants to be fabulous to bathe in fabulosity.

"Should nots" of DNC:

• Set restrictions based on gender or race.
• Break the trinity system.

[Ilyrian]

Limiting jobs by gender seems a particularly backwards idea.
Especially in a game that neither encourages alts or would charge real money to gender-flip.

[Leloa]

Why would it matter if someone think it's too girly simply don't play the class then. I am sure many people despite their gender and race would love a dancer.

[Ilyrian]

Why would it matter if someone think it's too girly simply don't play the class then. I am sure many people despite their gender and race would love a dancer.

It's sad in a way that in 2018 (yup - I said it) we still have the notion that a default Dancer is a scantily clad female who would 'heal her allies through booty-shaking and impressive jiggle physics'.

[Shurrikhan]

It's sad in a way that in 2018 (yup - I said it) we still have the notion that a default Dancer is a scantily clad female who would 'heal her allies through booty-shaking and impressive jiggle physics'.

I'm not imagining that to be the case at all, only that there are going to be very different styles among what would seem inspiring between the movements of a petite female and a burly, roided up male.

I don't want one or the other. I want both, intersecting no more or less than seems natural.

[Ilyrian]

I'm not imagining that to be the case at all, only that there are going to be very different styles among what would seem inspiring between the movements of a petite female and a burly, roided up male.

I don't want one or the other. I want both, intersecting no more or less than seems natural.

Realistically - and lets assume that Dancer is greenlit - it would have to be another AST clone as a WHM + dances or a SCH + dances would make those jobs obsolete.
This AST clone would then replace the card mechanic with a Dance mechanic; which would be a BRD song clone that would continue to 'play' throughout the encounter. The Dancer would do some sort side-step motion continuously and/or be surrounded by musical notes or similar. Anything else would be distracting in an encounter and not work with high-movement. (You're welcome SE - take an early lunch on me).
So yeah, anything that could or would happen regarding a Dancer job would probably not be anywhere near the ideal that many people have/want.

[Shurrikhan]

Realistically - and lets assume that Dancer is greenlit - it would have to be another AST clone as a WHM + dances or a SCH + dances would make those jobs obsolete.

No, it really wouldn't, unless XIV is deadset on purposely exhausting all avenues of meaningful variance in design in as few steps as possible by chopping out the vast, vast majority of what otherwise would have been possible.

We've probably only a couple expansions left by which such stringent avoidance of what falls outside their existing systems can finagle x or y gimmicks of difference and get away with labeling the whole job as something unique. And why even do that? Why purposely deepen a rutt that will almost certainly taper off to an early end? Almost any excuse they can take to step outside their own formula will be a benefit to them at this point, so long as they can maintain cohesion while finally expanding their vision. What would it take for a Dancer to really work as hoped, and how much of that would be beneficial even in its own right? That's what I hope development might start looking over before precedent-as-restriction escalates exponentially further.