What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Divinemights]

And let's not forget that, if it follows the trend of previous Relics, the Eureka gear will eventually catch up with their ilvl, before the melds.

Why are you still bothering with these 2?
The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.
Also after I saw the JP Yoship Walk at niconico, I am getting a feeling that Eureka is not only an optional content for relic weapon/armor, it is also a trail experiment for 5.0 open world contents and leveling.
I stop bothering with the topic when I saw one of them inside Eureka today.
Let them fight a losing battle.
If they think Eureka is diadem 3.0 let them be.

Also it took me 9 week to get 5 pieces of ilvl 360 gear and 5 weeks for 5 pieces of ilvl 350 gears from Sigma.
It only took me one week to get two relic weapons and 5 pieces of SAM relic armor and 5 pieces of Ninja relic armor
I also have 6 feathers i dont know what to do with it
I only player Eureka for 2.5 hours a day
They need to stop preaching people about grinding and time sink.

[Remedi]

I don't want to sounds offensive but I repeat that both sides needs to be calming down.
It's plain that both sides seems to feel that they've been attacked first, keeping this kind of tone will just serve as fuel for the fire

[Vstarstruck]

I don't want to sounds offensive but I repeat that both sides needs to be calming down.
It's plain that both sides seems to feel that they've been attacked first, keeping this kind of tone will just serve as fuel for the fire

How do you figure? it is pretty clear Divinemights is only here to white knight. With their comments and Reynharts' word twisting and fallacy to attempt to silence those that hate it. They flat out put words in my mouth, you do not see that? I did not attack anyone but a few people that like it are standing here like Divinemights sit here and go "do not talk to them" "everyone that dislikes it are fools and do not know what they are talking about" Flat out insults, I have done no such thing. If they stop doing that, it will be easy to "calm down"

I do not sit here and put words in people's mouths. How come the Japanese forums does not have white knight posters? I still do not get that.

Also I am further confused why Divinemights wants to attack me then ask for improvements? that is why we are here????

You do similar things, you know.

You called me a liar when I said it only took me 15 minutes to go from level 1 to level 2, and only 1 lockout to go from 1 to 5, without doing fates, when it took you 2 hours to get from 1 to 2. You said anyone would have to know about the fates to level that fast.

You have been just as aggressive towards people who disagree with you.

No i did not, I said they are twisting my words, that is what is being done. You want to lie so it looks better then what it is. It is irritating. (that or you may lost track of time, like you just say 15 mins to mean short time, but it might of took 45 mins. I watch clock, I don't lose track of time.)

[Divinemights]

I don't want to sounds offensive but I repeat that both sides needs to be calming down.
It's plain that both sides seems to feel that they've been attacked first, keeping this kind of tone will just serve as fuel for the fire

Oh, this is why I made last post.
They aren't going to make any noise without people like it responding.
The topic is already dying down when we stop bothering to respond.
Focus already shift to various aspect of Eureka and how to improve it.

I am now more interesting of what new features they are going to introduce in 3.4
Perhaps skill chain + magic burst?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No i did not, I said they are twisting my words, that is what is being done. You want to lie so it looks better then what it is. It is irritating. (that or you may lost track of time, like you just say 15 mins to mean short time, but it might of took 45 mins. I watch clock, I don't lose track of time.)

This is why I dislike talking to people that like it, they flat out lie in why you need to like it, mislead others thinking you need to like everything in the game. It is not exaggerating, I watch that timer. It should be no secret people lose track of time easily when they play something they like. It did not take no 15 minutes to get level 2, calling BS on that. Some jobs can't even solo exp at level 1, give me a break *rolls eyes*

No it is not way worse, giving us diadem 3.0 while saying it will not be diadem is way worse. clearly you think fate grinding, something we done before is nice when released in a new zone, it does not show 17 months of development though.

It did not take 45 minutes. maybe 20, but I'm edging closer to 15.

[Xiomara]

I've tried to give Eureka a fair go, but this content simply isn't for me. As a player who only logs in on weekends for a couple of hours, it's too hard to make any meaningful progress by yourself. I can't waste time by sitting in PF for an hour trying to assemble a party, nor can I just sit and AFK at spawn hoping that I can make it to a NM spawn alive before it's dead. As a player in a JP datacentre there is also a huge communications barrier which inhibits progress, so it's the solo player's life for me. And this content is not designed for solo play.

I like the difficulty of the mobs, although I think there should be less of them to make moving about the place less fraught (or we should have more tools to help avoid mobs). I just wish there were things like daily quests which gave XP comparable to a NM, and some crystals. A challenge log of killing X mobs in a week, getting X full chains, getting a single chain, etc. Something that provides a slow and steady progression path.

[Vstarstruck]

I've tried to give Eureka a fair go, but this content simply isn't for me. As a player who only logs in on weekends for a couple of hours, it's too hard to make any meaningful progress by yourself. I can't waste time by sitting in PF for an hour trying to assemble a party, nor can I just sit and AFK at spawn hoping that I can make it to a NM spawn alive before it's dead. As a player in a JP datacentre there is also a huge communications barrier which inhibits progress, so it's the solo player's life for me. And this content is not designed for solo play.

I like the difficulty of the mobs, although I think there should be less of them to make moving about the place less fraught (or we should have more tools to help avoid mobs). I just wish there were things like daily quests which gave XP comparable to a NM, and some crystals. A challenge log of killing X mobs in a week, getting X full chains, getting a single chain, etc. Something that provides a slow and steady progression path.

I do not know if others are understanding this or what but it goes back to a post I had in a different thread:

That is a big problem with it though, it has very slow start up time, then at the end grinding is a joke, it is the complete reverse what progress is.

For example, lets say it takes someone 9 days, 2 hrs per day to get level 20, then 1 day to farm
What it should be is get max level in 1.5-2 days then farming for the relics 7.5-8 days.

Even though the total time is the same, situation 2 will appeal to more people then situation 1. You shouldn't be presenting players a mountain to start off with (Come to think of it i learned such analogy on the Japanese forum) It is not good to give players a mountain to climb to start off on. I have seen NO GAME be it main (like FFXI leveling) or sub event (side content like it is in ffxiv) that does this. That is why a lot of people are turned off by it, HELL even music has rules like this:
https://youtu.be/2lQVG7Gf7I4?t=342
This is a major turn off because you are presenting too much of a grind at the start, you need to introduce a small bit at a time, in all the games I played in everything I seen, this is the first time I seen a problem like this.

People like yourself are going to be turned off by this system because of the reverse progression they do. They simply slam you with a mountain to climb over at the start instead of progressing you up, then giving you the grind.

So it should be smaller faster progress > grind, not grind > fast progress. They reversed how you are supposed to develop something.

[Narangerel]

My first impression is that I wouldn't hate it so much if there was more to do. because if you aren't cap, you will be in the NM train. If you are cap, guess what? Still running the same trains. That's it. So you have low levels following in the training, hoping not to get killed and if they do, they hope someone will rez them, and then sitting around while high levels work to make the NM spawn.

Honestly, it leaves a lot to be desired.

[Fynlar]

As you wish...I hope you're aware that by participating, your position regarding Eureka is irrelevant, because you're still increasing the overall number of people doing it, which is the only metric SE can use to judge if the content is a success or not, especially since this character is obviously not the one you run Eureka with.

The only metric they will use to judge popularity of content =/= the only metric they SHOULD be using to judge popularity of content.

Tying FATE grinds behind everything players might want to get and then being all like "oh, these guys are all spamming FATEs; they must like it!" is obviously not painting the full picture, and I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know that. I'm sure game designers are intelligent enough to know that too, so why are you giving them that excuse?

Developers who only look at the numbers and ignore the "we're doing this because we feel like we have to, not because this is enjoyable" feedback are pretty much doomed to failure. This may come as a surprise, but games that aren't fun to play tend to lose their players sooner or later.

[Vstarstruck]

. I'm sure game designers are intelligent enough to know that too, so why are you giving them that excuse?

White knighting/ attempting to make people that dislike it feel bad/ trying to silence those that actually dislike the current state.