What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Divinemights]

And let's not forget that, if it follows the trend of previous Relics, the Eureka gear will eventually catch up with their ilvl, before the melds.

Why are you still bothering with these 2?
The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.
Also after I saw the JP Yoship Walk at niconico, I am getting a feeling that Eureka is not only an optional content for relic weapon/armor, it is also a trail experiment for 5.0 open world contents and leveling.
I stop bothering with the topic when I saw one of them inside Eureka today.
Let them fight a losing battle.
If they think Eureka is diadem 3.0 let them be.

Also it took me 9 week to get 5 pieces of ilvl 360 gear and 5 weeks for 5 pieces of ilvl 350 gears from Sigma.
It only took me one week to get two relic weapons and 5 pieces of SAM relic armor and 5 pieces of Ninja relic armor
I also have 6 feathers i dont know what to do with it
I only player Eureka for 2.5 hours a day
They need to stop preaching people about grinding and time sink.

[RiyahArp]

The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.

...the only reason it's not hated more is that you can semi-afk your way to a relic. You show up, semi-afk while other people pop mobs, tag the boss when it spawns, and you get goodies while you chat on discord or something. The way it's turned out is incredibly shallow, nor much fun.

Keep in mind too, the exp to increase our level may rise substantially in future eureka zones, and they can if they want nerf fates so that people will be forced to grind the majority of time for 30 chains, then FATE rarely. The fun that we have now is really conditional on it being easy; if its actually hard, you can't talk, have fun, etc. It's worrisome because I know we are going to be getting this for the rest of the expansion and I'm not sure the formula is robust enough to keep people in it if they change it to make it harder.

[Reynhart]

...the only reason it's not hated more

What's with people trying to speak for the whole playerbase by makng such oversimplification these days ?

everyone that dislikes it are fools and do not know what they are talking about" Flat out insults, I have done no such thing.

Funny, because this is exactly what you do for the opposite side...and you still don't understand that people are not calling you a fool for disliking it but for trying to enforce that everyone who dare like it is delusional.

[Vstarstruck]

What's with people trying to speak for the whole playerbase by makng such oversimplification these days ?

What is it with people making posts that have no point to the main discussion?
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Funny, because this is exactly what you do for the opposite side...and you still don't understand that people are not calling you a fool for disliking it but for trying to enforce that everyone who dare like it is delusional.

No I do not, you will say anything to defend your actions. Also going to my original reply to you "What is it with people making posts that have no point to the main discussion?" In other words, all you added was flame bait, and does not add to the discussion. The only reason I am saying this to show why I am asking you to stop it.

...the only reason it's not hated more is that you can semi-afk your way to a relic. You show up, semi-afk while other people pop mobs, tag the boss when it spawns, and you get goodies while you chat on discord or something. The way it's turned out is incredibly shallow, nor much fun.

Keep in mind too, the exp to increase our level may rise substantially in future eureka zones, and they can if they want nerf fates so that people will be forced to grind the majority of time for 30 chains, then FATE rarely. The fun that we have now is really conditional on it being easy; if its actually hard, you can't talk, have fun, etc. It's worrisome because I know we are going to be getting this for the rest of the expansion and I'm not sure the formula is robust enough to keep people in it if they change it to make it harder.

That is another reason people are forcing themselves to do it now. Some are scared they will change it for the worse and make it unplayable. It is not far fetched to assume SE does not know what they are doing when they release a diadem 3.0 saying it will not be like diadem, new and innovative.

[Reynhart]

No I do not, you will say anything to defend your actions.

Sure, you wouldn't ever call people "blind fanboy" for liking it, "forcing themselves to like it" or agree that "they must be paid to say they like it"...

In other words, all you added was flame bait, and does not add to the discussion.

No because the main problem of this topic is exactly that people are trying to enforce what the playerbase thinks to prove them right, instead of keeping this on their personal opinion. Again, after over 100 pages where your participate on this topic, it's baffling that you didn't realize that.

[BillyKaplan]

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Stop. You have no moral high-ground in this debate. All either of you is doing is making it worse for yourselves. You've long since stopped arguing over Eureka and have devolved to just snapping at each other. Enough.
Also relevant reading material for you.

I'm halfway to 19 now. All being at this point did for me was make me realize just how much artificial difficulty the place had. Deaths don't matter if you travel in a party and then you get mounts and can just outrun even the things that can 2-shot you. The true annoyance was and still remains having to run back to the quest location every time you die. I just want to start getting my feathers so I can get some weapons and then see how I want to divide my gear upgrades.

[Tanathya]

This is good content, indeed!

[Vstarstruck]

What you're saying, apart from your opinion, is "White knights, "fanboys", and "delusional"...

word twisting/putting words in my mouth

Again, you didn't understand anything. The problem is not that you don't like it, but that you can't bear anyone from liking it.

LOL @ telling someone they do not understand something when in fact they are the ones not understanding. I will baby step the issues with that post.

>Why are you still bothering with these 2?<
Does not need be said, implying insults that we are not worth talking to, the issue is not with us, but your refusal to understand viewpoints past your own.
>The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.<
This is anecdotal evidence, twisting "facts" lets call it, to try support their bias prospective. From what I seen In the place, on the Japanese forms, what posts on the Japanese forums get more likes (any post that points out problems/ hating it tends to have 50+ likes on the Japanese forums, this was even posted to Divinemights who simply ignored it when Divinemights claimed most Japanese players liked it. The other problem here is acting like we do not want to see improvements when we do, it is why we are here. Don't even try to counter this with the 50% Japanese poll. It was not done here on the OF, furthermore 50% is a failing grade anyway, that isn't successful.

>Also after I saw the JP Yoship Walk at niconico, I am getting a feeling that Eureka is not only an optional content for relic weapon/armor, it is also a trail experiment for 5.0 open world contents and leveling. <
Has no point in the discussion, plus the idea of having a "beta" of anything at this point in time has no defense. a lot of people are offended at the idea of giving us delay after delay just to give us an empty beta.

>I stop bothering with the topic when I saw one of them inside Eureka today.
Let them fight a losing battle.
If they think Eureka is diadem 3.0 let them be.<
flame war bait.
>Also it took me 9 week to get 5 pieces of ilvl 360 gear and 5 weeks for 5 pieces of ilvl 350 gears from Sigma.
It only took me one week to get two relic weapons and 5 pieces of SAM relic armor and 5 pieces of Ninja relic armor<
I also have 6 feathers i dont know what to do with it<
misrepresenting my point. I was trying to explain how one person can get 350 and 360 gear easily without investing a pointless time sink to improve ones gear. To get 350 crafted is not hard and quicker, lot quicker then one gets 350 diadem gear. same with 355 weapon and ex weapon. Also casual got 1-360 weapon on the release of daidem 3.0, diadem 3.0 is not made for boosting ilevels, its just glam. You do not do 45 mins to 2 hrs in one sitting to progress for them, its only 12-20 mins a day for 5 days, and 10 mins a day , any day, per week. doing these acts makes diadem 3.0 only for glam, and DoA as far a ilevel upgrades. This started because Reynhart was trying to suggest I got a side befit of Ilevel upgrades when I grinded with my SO to 20. Nope, not the case at all. I care so little in the time sink I am not even going to buy anything till the streamline of the exchanges. Right now we are just trying get to 20 to prepare for next release so we are not behind. It does not matter if you do not understand people doing stuff they dislike. People do things they dislike a lot for progress.

>I only player Eureka for 2.5 hours a day
They need to stop preaching people about grinding and time sink.<
Too much for one sitting. ARR/HW relics did not do this. Diadem 3.0 requires too much time in one sitting to make progress. I keep repeating this point only for it to be twisted again

So no Reynhart, I do not like you are telling me I am not understanding, when the problem is you not understanding. You can't see where the misunderstandings are, because of your bias. You do not care for an understanding, you just want to drown out who dislike it, If this is not your goal, your actions say otherwise.

So yeah it is pretty offensive to try to explain something, make a point, only for it to get ignored or distorted and be told your opinion does not matter.

Certainly not useful enough to make me do a content I don't like. And no, I don't do Eureka for Glamour, since the relic will be the most powerful weapon in the end.

You mean debatably tied with the final raid weapon around 2 months before 5.0? What is better or not depends on job and the sub stats on it, and even in HW, rng or not, had a weapon that beat both anyway. Plus no one cares what goes on a few months before 5.0 when the 2nd dungon is dropping weapons the same power, with 3rd or 4th dungeon beating it while common craft weapons and MSQ rewards are also beating it at that point. Relic is glam, plain in simple, nothing lasts in this game. This is very different from FFXI who has gear lasting longer then the full age of ffxiv.

[Reynhart]

Does not need be said, implying insults that we are not worth talking to, the issue is not with us, but your refusal to understand viewpoints past your own.

Only that's it's not worth debating on that subject anymore, since we're running in circle from pages now...

This is anecdotal evidence, twisting "facts" lets call it, to try support their bias prospective. From what I seen In the place, on the Japanese forms, what posts on the Japanese forums get more likes (any post that points out problems/ hating it tends to have 50+ likes on the Japanese forums, this was even posted to Divinemights who simply ignored it when Divinemights claimed most Japanese players liked it.

When will you realize that likes on threads are irrelevant when considering the playerbase as a whole ? The good thing is that's true for people who like it too. Claiming that the majority likes the content by using threads and likes is also a fallacy.

you just want to drown out who dislike it, If this is not your goal, your actions say otherwise.

No, but I'm tired of explaining that my problem has nothing to do with your opinion on the content...

[Vstarstruck]

When will you realize that likes on threads are irrelevant when considering the playerbase as a whole ? The good thing is that's true for people who like it too. Claiming that the majority likes the content by using threads and likes is also a fallacy.

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*faceplam*
The idea was to show by example what that poster is doing. It can go both ways.

No, but I'm tired of explaining that my problem has nothing to do with your opinion on the content...

You can say this, but how you act shows a different message.

No argument, just straight fact.
Eureka is getting improvements and new features in 4.3
What is yours beside of repeating the word "boring"?

That is .... what people want.... what is the point of posting this? other then showing people you ignore what is said to you?
We want to insure that happens, we want to voice our complaints.