What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Vstarstruck]

What you're saying, apart from your opinion, is "White knights, "fanboys", and "delusional"...

word twisting/putting words in my mouth

Again, you didn't understand anything. The problem is not that you don't like it, but that you can't bear anyone from liking it.

LOL @ telling someone they do not understand something when in fact they are the ones not understanding. I will baby step the issues with that post.

>Why are you still bothering with these 2?<
Does not need be said, implying insults that we are not worth talking to, the issue is not with us, but your refusal to understand viewpoints past your own.
>The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.<
This is anecdotal evidence, twisting "facts" lets call it, to try support their bias prospective. From what I seen In the place, on the Japanese forms, what posts on the Japanese forums get more likes (any post that points out problems/ hating it tends to have 50+ likes on the Japanese forums, this was even posted to Divinemights who simply ignored it when Divinemights claimed most Japanese players liked it. The other problem here is acting like we do not want to see improvements when we do, it is why we are here. Don't even try to counter this with the 50% Japanese poll. It was not done here on the OF, furthermore 50% is a failing grade anyway, that isn't successful.

>Also after I saw the JP Yoship Walk at niconico, I am getting a feeling that Eureka is not only an optional content for relic weapon/armor, it is also a trail experiment for 5.0 open world contents and leveling. <
Has no point in the discussion, plus the idea of having a "beta" of anything at this point in time has no defense. a lot of people are offended at the idea of giving us delay after delay just to give us an empty beta.

>I stop bothering with the topic when I saw one of them inside Eureka today.
Let them fight a losing battle.
If they think Eureka is diadem 3.0 let them be.<
flame war bait.
>Also it took me 9 week to get 5 pieces of ilvl 360 gear and 5 weeks for 5 pieces of ilvl 350 gears from Sigma.
It only took me one week to get two relic weapons and 5 pieces of SAM relic armor and 5 pieces of Ninja relic armor<
I also have 6 feathers i dont know what to do with it<
misrepresenting my point. I was trying to explain how one person can get 350 and 360 gear easily without investing a pointless time sink to improve ones gear. To get 350 crafted is not hard and quicker, lot quicker then one gets 350 diadem gear. same with 355 weapon and ex weapon. Also casual got 1-360 weapon on the release of daidem 3.0, diadem 3.0 is not made for boosting ilevels, its just glam. You do not do 45 mins to 2 hrs in one sitting to progress for them, its only 12-20 mins a day for 5 days, and 10 mins a day , any day, per week. doing these acts makes diadem 3.0 only for glam, and DoA as far a ilevel upgrades. This started because Reynhart was trying to suggest I got a side befit of Ilevel upgrades when I grinded with my SO to 20. Nope, not the case at all. I care so little in the time sink I am not even going to buy anything till the streamline of the exchanges. Right now we are just trying get to 20 to prepare for next release so we are not behind. It does not matter if you do not understand people doing stuff they dislike. People do things they dislike a lot for progress.

>I only player Eureka for 2.5 hours a day
They need to stop preaching people about grinding and time sink.<
Too much for one sitting. ARR/HW relics did not do this. Diadem 3.0 requires too much time in one sitting to make progress. I keep repeating this point only for it to be twisted again

So no Reynhart, I do not like you are telling me I am not understanding, when the problem is you not understanding. You can't see where the misunderstandings are, because of your bias. You do not care for an understanding, you just want to drown out who dislike it, If this is not your goal, your actions say otherwise.

So yeah it is pretty offensive to try to explain something, make a point, only for it to get ignored or distorted and be told your opinion does not matter.

Certainly not useful enough to make me do a content I don't like. And no, I don't do Eureka for Glamour, since the relic will be the most powerful weapon in the end.

You mean debatably tied with the final raid weapon around 2 months before 5.0? What is better or not depends on job and the sub stats on it, and even in HW, rng or not, had a weapon that beat both anyway. Plus no one cares what goes on a few months before 5.0 when the 2nd dungon is dropping weapons the same power, with 3rd or 4th dungeon beating it while common craft weapons and MSQ rewards are also beating it at that point. Relic is glam, plain in simple, nothing lasts in this game. This is very different from FFXI who has gear lasting longer then the full age of ffxiv.

[Reynhart]

Does not need be said, implying insults that we are not worth talking to, the issue is not with us, but your refusal to understand viewpoints past your own.

Only that's it's not worth debating on that subject anymore, since we're running in circle from pages now...

This is anecdotal evidence, twisting "facts" lets call it, to try support their bias prospective. From what I seen In the place, on the Japanese forms, what posts on the Japanese forums get more likes (any post that points out problems/ hating it tends to have 50+ likes on the Japanese forums, this was even posted to Divinemights who simply ignored it when Divinemights claimed most Japanese players liked it.

When will you realize that likes on threads are irrelevant when considering the playerbase as a whole ? The good thing is that's true for people who like it too. Claiming that the majority likes the content by using threads and likes is also a fallacy.

you just want to drown out who dislike it, If this is not your goal, your actions say otherwise.

No, but I'm tired of explaining that my problem has nothing to do with your opinion on the content...

[Vstarstruck]

When will you realize that likes on threads are irrelevant when considering the playerbase as a whole ? The good thing is that's true for people who like it too. Claiming that the majority likes the content by using threads and likes is also a fallacy.

https://i.imgflip.com/11gn1b.jpg
*faceplam*
The idea was to show by example what that poster is doing. It can go both ways.

No, but I'm tired of explaining that my problem has nothing to do with your opinion on the content...

You can say this, but how you act shows a different message.

No argument, just straight fact.
Eureka is getting improvements and new features in 4.3
What is yours beside of repeating the word "boring"?

That is .... what people want.... what is the point of posting this? other then showing people you ignore what is said to you?
We want to insure that happens, we want to voice our complaints.

[Divinemights]

That is .... what people want.... what is the point of posting this? other then showing people you ignore what is said to you?
We want to insure that happens, we want to voice our complaints.

Which part of I am calling people to stop engaging you that you do not see?
Issue is already nailed the conffin by Yoship Walk.
They did took player feedback and some issues will be addressed.
What else do you want?

[Ruf]

Which part of I am calling people to stop engaging you that you do not see?
Issue is already nailed the conffin by Yoship Walk.
They did took player feedback and some issues will be addressed.
What else do you want?

There is no nails & there is no coffin, if you want I can get on carpenter...

[Jijifli]

Which part of I am calling people to stop engaging you that you do not see?
Issue is already nailed the conffin by Yoship Walk.
They did took player feedback and some issues will be addressed.
What else do you want?

Them to actually do it.

The team has said a lot of different things. Personal housing won't take FC housing spots, housing won't be lost if you unsub, Eureka won't feel at all like Diadem, etc.

So sorry if some of us feel a little untrusting that it'll actually happen.

[Vstarstruck]

So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette...

Again, I have nothing against your dislikes...please, give me one quote where I tried to convince you that you should like Eureka.

k, I am irradiated, irritated enough to explain my full thought process, thinking it was obvious you can pick up on it. I do not know how long this will be, but your reply should really give us insights what your true objective is.

I do not know if your objective is trying to start a flame war, like this was pointing out:

Also some posters here should really calm a bit down. At the same time at least one of them is just here for troll attempts or to increase attacks..(maybe to get this thread locked?) Its just better to ignore their posts since they are fine to ignore answers to them anyway. (Still waiting on the answer to my Eureka question) This will just end in a flame war otherwise.

Or if you can't see what you are truly saying behind your words. I will assume this though. If you where a troll and a smart one at that, you would start to back off after seeing this. The reason is because now with people having this in their mind, you might wanna take a safe route and not have these thoughts to be pinned on you. Given this I am going to skip explaining what I think about all the reasons you may be trolling and go to the the idea you simply can't see outside your point of view.

See this first post I quoted from you has the line "So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette..." You should know by know I would reply to such things with the fallacy it is, or where you hoping I would fall in your trap, trying to defend myself in what I said about the MSQ? Did you have replies in your mind on what you might say after I said this? When I talk to people, especially a debate, I am thinking in my head possible replies I may get so I can form my replies to them. So here I am thinking about different possibilities what the person might say. The side effect of doing this is gaining the ability to try to see things from different view points. So I try to understand what people think, however even with all that, I only see 2 reasons for you to be posting such things. 1 is trying to stawman me, so I go off track, then defeat my ultimately by concluding I am not to be debated with, much like your support to one of Divinemights' posts. This also could of been a warning to you, showing I am willing to pick apart and explain in full details like I did with that post. So now you see how much information one can draw with a one line sentence of
"So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette..."
the point in explaining this goes back to this one warning already:

You can say this, but how you act shows a different message.

You really can't see your ultimate point here is to "silence" people that dislike it? Or maybe you have a personal vendetta against me? I usually keep such ideas from public posting, but more as mind game play mapping all possibility I see for your words and actions. At the end of the day when you try bring up an offtopic point (how I acted in MSQ roulette debates) is only there to attempt to silence me, and yet you try to state you do no such thing.

So I need to ask, do you simply do not see what you are truly saying behind your words? In the end "So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette" does not belong here. Maybe you just said this out of impulse, not thinking what you are truly saying. I advice to take your time and think what you are truly saying in the future, and try to see things outside your prospective. I reply fast at times because I do plan what someone may say based what I say, so it is possible this was out of impulse if you have no experience in doing such a thing.

TLDR version: Saying an off subject reply of "So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette." is in conflict with "Again, I have nothing against your dislikes...please, give me one quote where I tried to convince you that you should like Eureka. " I guess in a way I did point out that one quote you asked for, but overall it is how you are speaking in general and not limited to literally saying "I dislike your likes and you should stop speaking"

[Reynhart]

Or if you can't see what you are truly saying behind your words.

You just see what you want to see behind my words and then blame me for your misunderstanding.

Be happy, I'm done debating with you.

[MageBlack]

You just see what you want to see behind my words and then blame me for your misunderstanding.

Be happy, I'm done debating with you.

Lol, I've tried asking him legit questions on a thread he started, instead he chooses to engage in what he is calling a flame war. Just like eureka, he doesnt like it yet continues to do it.

[Ruf]

Only that's it's not worth debating on that subject anymore,

I'm wondering why you are still posting here,at some point, I thought you understood some things players explained, & at some other pinpoints of this thread I thought you were completely off & now all you do is to debate massively the point of vstarstruck reasoning behind posts & yes vstarstruck is retaliating to it but seriously SERIOUSLY,Besides having me admit that I contribute to metrics by going inside eureka & playing with others while I dislike it.You can keep on enjoying eureka,idm as I say that I go to help players that do like it, where I have an issue tho is that you keep trying to tune down our dislikes here just like fyce & a few others have done.Leave it be or dont but we/I struggle in HOPES for a better FF.In a previous post I said that I disliked the route that the franchise took about the game a while back & so its not just new to ffxiv & therefore as ppl are actually sharing that thought over here, I will support the good arguments as to why this is nothing like it should be.