What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Vstarstruck]

I ran it too for the first few days because its the only way to get the mount and I do like mounts. So yes even if someone dislike it they may still run it. (I was feeling so much relief when that item dropped) Honestly if it was tradeable I would just have bought it (after testing out Eureka) and be done with it even sooner.

Maybe their SO likes it and they want to do stuff together so she is doing them a favor. Maybe in turn the SO will do that for her too in content that they dont like?

Diadem was probably also quite visited at the start and people did it eventhough most have seemingly not enjoyed it (or it would not have been death). Looking at the numbers at the start is always bad because you will always have high numbers, especially if you put the relic in it. The important ones are those that come months later. Which was shown by Diadem. So imo running it right now will not be important. (I mean if we would not run it at least a few times people would just say that we cant give our opinions about it.) Its more important if people will run this longer than a few weeks.

This is a big thread and we had countless of other ones so maybe I am not remembering it right, but Vstarstruck had more of a problem with those people that liked it and attacked those that did not. So why should she try to change the opinion of her SO? Maybe some posts were a bit too aggressive but both sides had quite the attacks..I at least dont remember a post where she or others said that nobody should ever play it or that nobody should like it. But maybe I dont remember those.

Anyway she has a point that its kinda a bid like a broken record because people had quite often posted why they still do it or even done it.

(I think another big problem will be when the other Eureka parts come out and you need to have finished the older one to access it and the newer ones are much better..this would mean that people kinda have to go through 1-20 first if they want to do any future Eureka content..which is probably also a reason why some still do it even if they dislike/hate it)

My SO is hard to understand at times, not the best at conveying feelings. However I did witness them simply rage quitting it once and was outspoken about a thing here and there. I am pretty sure it is being ran for others stating here, just to get level 20 so they are not left behind. There is a few times they thank me for coming so i keep going. They did their fare share in helping me with other things so it is all good. Plus my main motivation of playing this game is to be with friends (going back to ffxi too) if it was not for that, most likely i would not be playing. I do have a view the game is having trouble standing on its own, and more played because others do.

Also yeah I have an issues with people insulting others and or twisting arguments for their own personal objectives. One person that publicly stated they blacklist me was for me quoting them word for word (like how I quoted you, quoted the original message) I did this for 2 different posts for this person in question made, I compared them, said I was confused that they gave conflicting messages. After I did this the person claimed I was saying they where insulting the forums and putting words in their mouth???????????????? Then ofc you have that praise diadem 3.0 thread, the first reply to it was a post calling people that dislike it fools, then finally ofc I am sure it is in your recent memory someone ranting about people that dislike diadem 3.0 when it was just made to comment on SE dev communication problems.

I still do not understand, to this second, about why people don't understand my time investment comments. This is twisted or misunderstood by people that like it a lot when I say it takes too much time in one sitting to make progress. in HW/ARR relics I can spend 10 mins, or 20 mins running a dungeon, craft/ gather a little, etc etc to make progress. in diadem 3.0, it takes 5-10 mins to do anything (find party, get in fate train, etc, it takes a bit to actually start your progress. Even with AoE farm strat you still need be there a min 30 mins + and me and SO is always 1 hr +, that is what i hate with the time investments, I do not care if it is much quicker to complete, I do not like the large time investment you need to get progress on it and the backwards idea in progressing (presenting people wiht a mountain when they first step in, this is not how you do ANYTHING!) As I explained here:

That is a big problem with it though, it has very slow start up time, then at the end grinding is a joke, it is the complete reverse what progress is.

For example, lets say it takes someone 9 days, 2 hrs per day to get level 20, then 1 day to farm
What it should be is get max level in 1.5-2 days then farming for the relics 7.5-8 days.

Even though the total time is the same, situation 2 will appeal to more people then situation 1. You shouldn't be presenting players a mountain to start off with (Come to think of it i learned such analogy on the Japanese forum) It is not good to give players a mountain to climb to start off on. I have seen NO GAME be it main (like FFXI leveling) or sub event (side content like it is in ffxiv) that does this. That is why a lot of people are turned off by it, HELL even music has rules like this:
https://youtu.be/2lQVG7Gf7I4?t=342
This is a major turn off because you are presenting too much of a grind at the start, you need to introduce a small bit at a time, in all the games I played in everything I seen, this is the first time I seen a problem like this.

the time sink upfront cost is too high and very demotivating. This logic is not even applied to video games but music, movies, a lot of things take a lesson from this basic idea. Do not present too much at once.

Oh, and again, remember that you're contributing in the success of Eureka, and good day to you

Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Also Alleo this is another thing I dislike about people that like diadem 3.0, they barrage with fallacy arguments its overwhelming.

Frankly, if my hate for a content was that powerful so that I bash anyone who dare say they like it, no mounts would ever make me run the content.

People are different, I have a much higher tolerance then you when it comes forcing myself to do stuff I do not like. I doono if i should say this but I will and hope its not too strong. I do not like this conversation as well, but I do it anyway because I feel finding a resolve is more important then my personal feelings.

[Ruf]

There is a link here pointing out the Japanese forums about eureka,is there a post of us putting a link to our na 164pages of first impression on their forums??

I'm unsure how to phrase and type it properly in japanese or I would do it,seriously tempting.

[Reynhart]

Unfortunately mounts and minions and glamour are locked behind Eureka so your point falls a bit flat.

No, it doesn't. Minions, glamours and mounts offer nothing of importance in the game. You're the one deciding you need them, so at that point, you can't complain that you have to do a content you don't like. It's like people complaining that they want every minions, but that some minions are bonuses for when you buy goodies.

Yes Eureka is self contained but there is a hight chance that any new part to it needs the part before that..

It will still be Eureka, it will still hold the relic, it will still be a no-skill grind.

There are so many reasons to do something that you dont really like.

People likes to make fun of Yoshi-P recently for the famous "If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong", but they should realize that it also applies to them...

I hope you dont mean me when you write about bashing other people because I never did.

No, I don't mean you.

Also first we cant even know if and how much they talked about it in private so we cant judge.

That's why I asked.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Also Alleo this is another thing I dislike about people that like diadem 3.0, they barrage with fallacy arguments its overwhelming.

If lots of people do the content despite hating it, the only thing SE can measure is that lots of players are doing the content. If lots of players do the content, it means the content is a success. It's strange, because when we discussed about the MSQ recent changes, it was obvious for you that the feeling about it would be pretty clear if the MSQ roulettes suffered a significant drop.

People are different, I have a much higher tolerance then you when it comes forcing myself to do stuff I do not like.

Seriously, and without any regards to our different opinions or our frequent heated debates, if an activity in the game is not fun for you, you really should do something else for your own good.

[Vstarstruck]

No, it doesn't. Minions, glamours and mounts offer nothing of importance in the game.

https://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

What do you think.. is the purpose... of doing the relic armor or weapons?????????????????????????
This is the biggest joke yet, right up there with this post:

Does that mean that Square Enix has, in fact, delivered on their promise of revolutionary mmo content then if you've never seen it before???

That one made me laugh harder though, but you got close:3

[Crysten]

Haven't really commented on Eureka so far, but kinda feel that I can now that I'm level 19 and have effectively reached the "endgame" of the content. Apologies if these points have come up before and for the rambly nature of this.

It's generally been extremely hit and miss but the absolute biggest killer for this content for me is the almost towering barrier of entry for new players. There is literally nothing to give you an investment into the content to begin with and this lasts all the way to level 9. Rewards are slim to non-existant to begin with, the map is extremely dangerous and frustrating to anyone not familiar with FFXI or the general mechanics of the zone itself, and I do not find spending 90% of my time dead (and in FATEs) in any way engaging.

This has done an excellent job of putting people off when first impressions are the most important.

That said, once you reach the levels required to do the higher level FATEs, then the content becomes a lot more interesting (as you can contribute and some bosses actually have mechanics!), rewards are plentiful and you gain a sense of accomplishment and progression as more and more of the zone becomes accessible without the stress of aggro. The zone is beautiful if you take the time to soak it in as well, which I want to say is the cause of the delays, cos it sure as hell wasn't the content design.

I've been able to get enough crystals to gear a job from my grind from 1-20, which I find reasonable but that initial slog was absolute hell. Once you get to the point where you can farm feathers from Pazuzu, the content becomes much much better in terms of it's rewards.

Can I also say how nice it is to be able to have a realistic way to gear up multiple jobs to a reasonable level fairly quickly now? For a game that loves you having multiple jobs on one character, it sure does hate you playing more than 1 or 2 roles at a time.

[Alleo]

No, it doesn't. Minions, glamours and mounts offer nothing of importance in the game. You're the one deciding you need them, so at that point, you can't complain that you have to do a content you don't like. It's like people complaining that they want every minions, but that some minions are bonuses for when you buy goodies.

It will still be Eureka, it will still hold the relic, it will still be a no-skill grind.

Thats not true simply because if something is important is decided by each person. Someone might have no need for any glamour thus any reward with glamour might leave them with no sense of joy. Yet they might find joy in beating something as fast as possible or by having a certain title. Mounts and glamour are an incentive in this game. Not for all but there is a famous sentence of: Glamour is the true endgame. Thats probably the reason why they are now putting mounts behind PvP instead of just titles and trophies. Also this very thread (and others) do show that quite some people on this forum just do it for the mount or to have a dyeable gear set.

The problem is that sometimes content is so bad that even those rewards cant have people doing it. Which was shown in Diadem. (Especially the second one) But I am quite sure that quite some content would even be much faster death if there was no glamour/minion/mount reward behind it..

We dont know this. It does seem that we get more than one addition to it (if it survives) and Yoshida did say that those will have more stuff in it. Maybe the last one would be the content a lot of us wanted. Yet that would be put behind a big wall of leveling which will be harder the older it becomes. (Even if they nerf it, doing it solo is still slower) So people might just simply have still hope that it gets better thus they get to max lvl to be prepared for it.

[Moomba33]

Well, I'm done with Eureka for now. Level 20, got Bard relic, and got all the vanity items from the FATEs and lock boxes that I care about.
Also grabbed a couple of armour pieces for dragoon and ninja to replace Ala Mhigan gear I was still using (not interested in the relic gear for other jobs since they can't be shared).

Progression feels backwards in that I found the higher level stuff went faster than starting out. Granted part of that is that players got more efficient after it had been out a few days.

I can't say the content was entertaining in and of itself. And it definitely should have had more to it for how long it was delayed.
But for what it is I can say it's nice to have a community focused event that can be grinded without lockouts. Hopefully the next incarnation of the content will be more fun.

[Reynhart]

What do you think.. is the purpose... of doing the relic armor or weapons?????????????????????????

Call me the next time a minion, a mount or glamour allow you to access content quickly for multiple jobs...especially if, like me, you despise tome farming.

Oh, silly me ! I forgot Fashion Report ! Ok, you're right, missing Eureka glamour can make you fail this content...totally worth it, sure...

Thats not true simply because if something is important is decided by each person.

There are objectively important things, like MSQ, or content that opens other content...and things that are subjectively important. Minions and such are of the latter category, meaning that nothing in the game requires them. If your personal goals asks for them, then it's your choice to suffer this. And sorry, but when someone so strongly despise a content, it really sounds wrong that they're still doing it.

Like I said above, I despise tome farming. So I don't do it. Sure it makes it more difficult to access some content and ask me to relies on RNG for having good drops. But I stand by my opinion that tome farming is boring, mindless, and kills every other type of reward.

[Metsonm]

Just because cosmetics aren't important to you doesn't mean it's not the driving force for some people. I've seen a whole bunch of posts from people running Skalla, desperate for their coat to drop just because it looks good.

[Vstarstruck]

Call me the next time a minion, a mount or glamour allow you to access content quickly for multiple jobs...especially if, like me, you despise tome farming.

What are you carrying on about? there is i350 crafted gear, there is 350 sigma normal gear, there is 360 limited tomestome gear (all of this takes less time invested in one sitting then diadem 3.0. For tomestones, your just doing expert once a day for 5 days or lul diadem 3.0 can cap you as well) then you have Byakko 355 weapon. So all the alternatives exist to get the same ilevel as relic but faster. Anyone can be ilevel 350 + without setting foot in diadem 3.0 on all jobs quite easily. I hate to break it to you, but diadem 3.0 gear is only glam. Why do you think I said even when we reach 20, I am not doing any exchanges till they fix the 1 time exchange x 600 + times, too much clicking for glam.

Housing, glams, minions, mounts, hold a bigger share of the endgame then savage does.

Just because cosmetics aren't important to you doesn't mean it's not the driving force for some people. I've seen a whole bunch of posts from people running Skalla, desperate for their coat to drop just because it looks good.

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