What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Reynhart]

Unfortunately mounts and minions and glamour are locked behind Eureka so your point falls a bit flat.

No, it doesn't. Minions, glamours and mounts offer nothing of importance in the game. You're the one deciding you need them, so at that point, you can't complain that you have to do a content you don't like. It's like people complaining that they want every minions, but that some minions are bonuses for when you buy goodies.

Yes Eureka is self contained but there is a hight chance that any new part to it needs the part before that..

It will still be Eureka, it will still hold the relic, it will still be a no-skill grind.

There are so many reasons to do something that you dont really like.

People likes to make fun of Yoshi-P recently for the famous "If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong", but they should realize that it also applies to them...

I hope you dont mean me when you write about bashing other people because I never did.

No, I don't mean you.

Also first we cant even know if and how much they talked about it in private so we cant judge.

That's why I asked.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Also Alleo this is another thing I dislike about people that like diadem 3.0, they barrage with fallacy arguments its overwhelming.

If lots of people do the content despite hating it, the only thing SE can measure is that lots of players are doing the content. If lots of players do the content, it means the content is a success. It's strange, because when we discussed about the MSQ recent changes, it was obvious for you that the feeling about it would be pretty clear if the MSQ roulettes suffered a significant drop.

People are different, I have a much higher tolerance then you when it comes forcing myself to do stuff I do not like.

Seriously, and without any regards to our different opinions or our frequent heated debates, if an activity in the game is not fun for you, you really should do something else for your own good.

[Vstarstruck]

No, it doesn't. Minions, glamours and mounts offer nothing of importance in the game.

https://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

What do you think.. is the purpose... of doing the relic armor or weapons?????????????????????????
This is the biggest joke yet, right up there with this post:

Does that mean that Square Enix has, in fact, delivered on their promise of revolutionary mmo content then if you've never seen it before???

That one made me laugh harder though, but you got close:3

[Reynhart]

What do you think.. is the purpose... of doing the relic armor or weapons?????????????????????????

Call me the next time a minion, a mount or glamour allow you to access content quickly for multiple jobs...especially if, like me, you despise tome farming.

Oh, silly me ! I forgot Fashion Report ! Ok, you're right, missing Eureka glamour can make you fail this content...totally worth it, sure...

Thats not true simply because if something is important is decided by each person.

There are objectively important things, like MSQ, or content that opens other content...and things that are subjectively important. Minions and such are of the latter category, meaning that nothing in the game requires them. If your personal goals asks for them, then it's your choice to suffer this. And sorry, but when someone so strongly despise a content, it really sounds wrong that they're still doing it.

Like I said above, I despise tome farming. So I don't do it. Sure it makes it more difficult to access some content and ask me to relies on RNG for having good drops. But I stand by my opinion that tome farming is boring, mindless, and kills every other type of reward.

[Metsonm]

Just because cosmetics aren't important to you doesn't mean it's not the driving force for some people. I've seen a whole bunch of posts from people running Skalla, desperate for their coat to drop just because it looks good.

[Vstarstruck]

Call me the next time a minion, a mount or glamour allow you to access content quickly for multiple jobs...especially if, like me, you despise tome farming.

What are you carrying on about? there is i350 crafted gear, there is 350 sigma normal gear, there is 360 limited tomestome gear (all of this takes less time invested in one sitting then diadem 3.0. For tomestones, your just doing expert once a day for 5 days or lul diadem 3.0 can cap you as well) then you have Byakko 355 weapon. So all the alternatives exist to get the same ilevel as relic but faster. Anyone can be ilevel 350 + without setting foot in diadem 3.0 on all jobs quite easily. I hate to break it to you, but diadem 3.0 gear is only glam. Why do you think I said even when we reach 20, I am not doing any exchanges till they fix the 1 time exchange x 600 + times, too much clicking for glam.

Housing, glams, minions, mounts, hold a bigger share of the endgame then savage does.

Just because cosmetics aren't important to you doesn't mean it's not the driving force for some people. I've seen a whole bunch of posts from people running Skalla, desperate for their coat to drop just because it looks good.

*most

[Metsonm]

*most

Well, i don't have the statistics in front of me so didn't want to make any outlandish claims based on lack of evidence.

[Reynhart]

What are you carrying on about? there is i350 crafted gear

Don't want to spend millions on that since I have other things to buy.

there is 350 sigma normal gear

Weekly locked, 5 weeks to stuff only one job.

there is 360 limited tomestome gear (all of this takes less time invested in one sitting then diadem 3.0.

Weekly locked, 9 weeks to gear one job, without counting accessories.

So those may take less playtime, but they certainly requires more "time".

[Vstarstruck]

Don't want to spend millions on that

Weekly locked, 5 weeks to stuff one job.

Boycotting tome farming, and weekly locked, 9 weeks to gear one job, without counting accessories.

So those may take less playtime, but they certainly requires more "time".

You do realize it is faster to earn millions then it is to grind for these glams right?

I made 600 million gil when 4.2 in 1 week by crafting items, i had people gather for me etc. I highly doubt he use a third party program to craft, maybe he just very effective doing it? I mean, many times people accuse others for botting or cheating, because they can't do it on their own. Maybe those characters he has in the fc or players, gather for him?

edit: you can also bypass the 1k letters by edit your post.

just an example that is even stated here.

So those may take less playtime, but they certainly requires more "time".

No they don't, i guess maybe to people that do not know what they are doing.. i guess?

Weekly locked, 9 weeks to gear one job, without counting accessories.

So those may take less playtime, but they certainly requires more "time".

objection, diadem doesn't have right side.
The time limited stuff outperforms the diadem 3.0 glams and also you have no salutations for the right. so 600 M in a week can instantly get all 350 on all jobs with in a day with this rate, no one farmed the diadem glams that fast.

Well, i don't have the statistics in front of me so didn't want to make any outlandish claims based on lack of evidence.

ah, understandable.

Not using post quota:

He's right about them taking more time. 9 weeks on capped tomes times 13 jobs is well, years to gear them all with tomes.

Takes maybe a month in eureka.

I was not talking about 360 , i was talking about 350, it is clear what is being said so no hes wrong. (well I was talking about both but it was clear I was talking about 350 crafted to gear all jobs so this is becoming stawman.) Also a week of gil making to gear up all 350 is still quicker then your proposed month (even if the rate gets it done in a day, but selling stuff like that in one day may be hard but depends on the day you are talking about)

So my point stands, diadem 3.0 in its entirety is only for mounts, minions, and glams.

[Reynhart]

No they don't, i guess maybe to people that do not know what they are doing.. i guess?

What, you mean math ?

objection, diadem doesn't have right side.

Oh, my...
1000 for the weapon, 495 for head, hands and feet, 825 for body and legs, for a total of 4135 tomestones. Divide by 450, we have 9.1 weeks. Strange, it's almost as if I didn't count accessories and belt, especially because Eureka doesn't provide these.

Oh, and I don't like crafting, so I don't do it, this way, earning gear stays fun for me...

[Alleo]

There are objectively important things, like MSQ [...]

And yet even though you say that its objectively important there are a quite some people in this game that dont care about the story at all. MSQ is not important if we take it down to getting better. Its a nice flavor that might make a game better but a lot of MMO dont really have that much of a great story because gameplay is often more interesting. You dont need the MSQ to make your character gear up, you can even jump over most of the story. Also if you say that MSQ is needed then isnt Eureka mandatory too (in a way) since it has story behind it which was a mystery in the MSQ in ARR. And you can only truly see it yourself if you go through it.

Thats why I said its completely subjective to every person. Why do people run all the primals even if they are old? Mounts! And many more of such examples. Just because its not important to you doesnt mean that it isnt for others. And just because you just never do tome farming doesnt mean that others wont if they want something. (And you cant really avoid tome farming..since you get them with nearly every content so its kinda a bit of a bad point)

And to be more on topic:

I really really hope that future Eureka takes at least some of our critisim in it..if they release all the other parts with similiar content I will truly be at loss..I mean even those that liked it have given quite the good ideas and its saddens me how much more better it could have been. Well my last hope remains with PotD 2..which will hopefully come out in SB too.

I'm halfway to 19 now. All being at this point did for me was make me realize just how much artificial difficulty the place had. Deaths don't matter if you travel in a party and then you get mounts and can just outrun even the things that can 2-shot you. The true annoyance was and still remains having to run back to the quest location every time you die. I just want to start getting my feathers so I can get some weapons and then see how I want to divide my gear upgrades.

Thats true too. Not only was it wrong that monster wont stop chasing you but its kinda bad that they stop hurting a player if they are some levels above..I dislike the death penalty but if you do something like that do it right. Not making it easier and easier for higher levels which in turn will make it even harder for the lower ones. (Since High level players can just run to places without much care for their health) They could have made it so that its alway easier with a group but that the real challenge would be to do it solo or in really small groups and that level itself does not matter too much. Or at least have way more high level trash monsters for the last few NM trains so that even those will fear to be one-hitted. Together with spawning more of the lower fates this would give lower levels the chance to get their stuff through lower fates and higher level players still have the danger when they go to their NMs.
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Also some posters here should really calm a bit down. At the same time at least one of them is just here for troll attempts or to increase attacks..(maybe to get this thread locked?) Its just better to ignore their posts since they are fine to ignore answers to them anyway. (Still waiting on the answer to my Eureka question) This will just end in a flame war otherwise.