What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Tridus]

Got another level on the train last night. Made the mistake of trying to spawn our own while they were off trying to do Paz. They failed to spawn that, and after much yelling and gnashing of teeth the train went on and spawned three more NMs before we could get the one we were working on to pop (but at least we got that one and another one immediately after).

So, yeah. I have no business being near Paz at level 8, but not following the train simply doesn't work very well. Not to mention that I can at least raise and heal my level 19 friends on that stuff, or not play with them at all. Having healing not scale at all is such a weird decision.

[Reynhart]

if it was not for following my SO and following them, i would be level 2 and never enter it again. it is sooo boring, just feels like it drags on and on like the 50 MSQ quests.

Then why are you doing it ? Does your SO like it so that you think it's a worthy reason to join him/her ? Does s/he hate it but still doing it ?

[Vstarstruck]

Then why are you doing it ? Does your SO like it so that you think it's a worthy reason to join him/her ? Does s/he hate it but still doing it ?

Answered several times by myself and others.
I been mocked for sounding like a broken record while others ask me to be a broken record, makes sense
10/10

[Reynhart]

I been mocked for sounding like a broken record while others ask me to be a broken record, makes sense

As you wish...I hope you're aware that by participating, your position regarding Eureka is irrelevant, because you're still increasing the overall number of people doing it, which is the only metric SE can use to judge if the content is a success or not, especially since this character is obviously not the one you run Eureka with.
And frankly, after being so adamant about how no one should enjoy it, the simple fact that you're still running it for whatever reason is baffling.

What bothers me is that either your SO likes it, and I wonder why you already didn't prove to him/her that s/he's wrong for that, since you seem so convinced by how no one should, or s/he doesn't like it and you're both running something that's not even fun for you...in case you might want to remember what's the main point of video games.

[Vstarstruck]

As you wish...I hope you're aware that by participating, your position regarding Eureka is irrelevant, because you're still increasing the overall number of people doing it, which is the only metric SE can use to judge if the content is a success or not, especially since this character is obviously not the one you run Eureka with.
And frankly, after being so adamant about how no one should enjoy it, the simple fact that you're still running it for whatever reason is baffling.

What bothers me is that either your SO likes it, and I wonder why you already didn't prove to him/her that s/he's wrong for that, since you seem so convinced by how no one should, or s/he doesn't like it and you're both running something that's not even fun for you...in case you might want to remember what's the main point of video games.

Why are you bothered exactly? Do you like... not read what people say?

I'm like level 12 now and yeah...I still feel like this type of grind doesn't work in this game.

All it does is give you carpal tunnel constantly killing over and over of the same mobs.

It was ok in FFXI cause the combat was slower, but eh...

I'm still in there doing it though because I am afraid if I don't at least get close to max level then I'll be left behind if I ever did need something from there. I also maybe want to try to complete a relic.

I'm doing the content, but I'm not really enjoying it. It is boring waiting for NMs to spawn and especially if it is at a higher level NM where I can't really help kill mobs because I'm too weak...I end up just helping with raises and playing my 3DS.

As for EXP grinding it is also boring...and causes hand cramps etc too much spam over and over for long periods of time.

The only entertaining thing about being in there is just laughing when people get rekt by mobs lol and/or watching the NM train choo choo into level 17 mobs and then seeing like 10-20 players get cleaved and die in a pile lol...honestly SE should have given monsters Achievements cause that deserves a "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" achievement for the monster lol "Kill 20 players with one attack"

It was even said in this very thread, people are forcing themselves to 20 so they are not being left behind, there is already a hard to deal with level gap.

Explain to me how with all the delays how it was overlooked to have a level sync feature in this? (ignoring the fact this place is extremely basic in what you do and could been done anywhere without the development time sink)

I am also wondering how many people there are that complained about yo kai but happen to like this.

I think HW relic option was more friendly and open to more casuals. Eureka punishes you if you werent there the first week or few days to play, to where if the majority of the playerbase is lvl 10+ and you are lvl 1, you cant group up with them because any enemy they kill you wont get xp and they wont get xp.

At least with HW you were doing a wide variety of content instead of the mindless NM train. And at least it helped new players to the game with the leveling queues and got people back out into the open world.

Now its just run Eureka so you wont get left behind when the next step for the relic comes by. No need to run ex dungeons or trial roulette, just run Eureka and hop aboard the NM Train Choo Choo.


The problem with Eureka is it doesnt offer a good enough variety of ways to level up or even explore the map at that.

If Eureka had daily quests, bounties, group quests or even kill this list of enemies and receive this xp reward instead of just doing the train it would be a better experience. But again the question is how hard is it to put quests and those type of missions that you can pick up inside an instance.

etc etc...

"in case you might want to remember what's the main point of video games"

SE forgot, that is the issue. Maybe that is what they meant new and innovative?

[Jijifli]

As you wish...I hope you're aware that by participating, your position regarding Eureka is irrelevant

Please direct your eyes to...

People that don't like Eureka can't catch a break on this.

If people complain they went in for a bit and hated it, they get told they didn't do enough of it so their feelings to the content are wrong. THEN they go in and bother doing it because they're being pushed that not doing it means they don't know how it is, and now they're getting told because they're doing it they MUST like it.

That's my experience with the wonderful Novice network. "Oh look at all the complaining, but where is everyone? Oh in Eureka" Ya maybe because people keep telling us our opinion on content doesn't matter until we do enough to warrent its own plat trophy on PlayStation...

[Alleo]

I ran it too for the first few days because its the only way to get the mount and I do like mounts. So yes even if someone dislike it they may still run it. (I was feeling so much relief when that item dropped) Honestly if it was tradeable I would just have bought it (after testing out Eureka) and be done with it even sooner.

Maybe their SO likes it and they want to do stuff together so she is doing them a favor. Maybe in turn the SO will do that for her too in content that they dont like?

Diadem was probably also quite visited at the start and people did it eventhough most have seemingly not enjoyed it (or it would not have been death). Looking at the numbers at the start is always bad because you will always have high numbers, especially if you put the relic in it. The important ones are those that come months later. Which was shown by Diadem. So imo running it right now will not be important. (I mean if we would not run it at least a few times people would just say that we cant give our opinions about it.) Its more important if people will run this longer than a few weeks.

This is a big thread and we had countless of other ones so maybe I am not remembering it right, but Vstarstruck had more of a problem with those people that liked it and attacked those that did not. So why should she try to change the opinion of her SO? Maybe some posts were a bit too aggressive but both sides had quite the attacks..I at least dont remember a post where she or others said that nobody should ever play it or that nobody should like it. But maybe I dont remember those.

Anyway she has a point that its kinda a bit like a broken record because people have quite often posted why they still do it or done it, even if they dislike it.

(I think another big problem will be when the other Eureka parts come out and you need to have finished the older one to access it and the newer ones are much better..this would mean that people kinda have to go through 1-20 first if they want to do any future Eureka content..which is probably also a reason why some still do it even if they dislike/hate it)

[Reynhart]

Why are you bothered exactly? Do you like... not read what people say?

Yes, I read what they say...it still doesn't make any sense, in a video game, to do something you don't like, especially, when nothing is locked behind it. It's not like the overlong MSQ between 2.0 and 2.55, that you absolutely need to access HW.
Eureka is a self contained content, that gives nothing mandatory outside. And you know that as well as me, since a frequent complain is that the rewards are less powerful that what you can earn outside of Eureka.

Being afraid to be left behind in Eureka is the same as being left behind in PvP, Chocob Racing, Triple Triad, Lords Of Verminion or even Savage Raiding...if you don't like it, you don't have to do it, and if you don't have to do it, it doesn't matter to be "left behind". So yeah, keep in mind that any time you're bored of running Eureka, suffering the long solo progression, or the mindless fate train, you only have yourself to blame.

What I admire, though is how Eureka is a smart move. Being able to drag even those who clearly hate it, just with the carrot of a tiny increase in ilvl compared to what you will have simply by running roulettes and 24-man raid, that certainly deserves praise.
Oh, and again, remember that you're contributing in the success of Eureka, and good day to you

I ran it too for the first few days because its the only way to get the mount and I do like mounts.

Frankly, if my hate for a content was that powerful so that I bash anyone who dare say they like it, no mounts would ever make me run the content.

Maybe their SO likes it and they want to do stuff together so she is doing them a favor. Maybe in turn the SO will do that for her too in content that they dont like?

That's why I asked that question. Frequently, people say they like running things with friends, but at what point the content really become fun with people when each person hate it separately ? And if their SO likes it, I'd like to see how they discuss on that, when people who like that content are obviously fanboys/fangirls/whiteknights, etc...are they hypocrite enough so that this applies to everyone except their SO ?

(I think another big problem will be when the other Eureka parts come out and you need to have finished the older one to access it and the newer ones are much better..this would mean that people kinda have to go through 1-20 first if they want to do any future Eureka content..which is probably also a reason why some still do it even if they dislike/hate it)

Ok, a new part of the content you depise is released, then what ? If you hate grinding things, how does it bother you that a new grind is available, but only if you did the previous grind ? Especially since we know what will happen to Eureka. Early steps will be nerfed offering a faster progression, allowing people to catch up to experience the later release. So, you'd still have plenty of time to do it later, after severals fixes and QoL improvement.

[Metsonm]

Unfortunately mounts and minions and glamour are locked behind Eureka so your point falls a bit flat. While I'm banking on those being able to be put up on the MB and the abundance of them making the prices reasonable, a lot of people don't want to take the risk and miss out on the T-rex.

[Alleo]

I dare to say that there will be always parts in a video game that might not be that fun to do but you do it either. Maybe because you want to 100% it and its part of that, or because it locks fun content behind it and more. Also rewards are a huge motivator to do content like that. (I still have said to myself that I would stop it if I did not get the mount till Tuesday but luckely I got it on the weekend)

At the same time please dont forget that we have some people here on this forum that wants us to give it a big amount of chances otherwise we have no clue and thus we should not post our opinions. Also some might simply have the hope that it will get better thus still carry on.

Yes Eureka is self contained but there is a hight chance that any new part to it needs the part before that..so if they release the next part in the Eureka series and its suddenly really fun (I mean it can happen..I dont have much confidence that it will be that way but who knows). Then people also need to level through the bad part to get there..now at least they have enough people doing the trains to do it while watching/doing something else. Who knows how this situation will be later. Maybe you suddenly have to do a lot of the stuff solo or with small groups because most of the ones that played the first one to 20 might go to the next stage and maybe if you reach it finally you are again left behind.

There are so many reasons to do something that you dont really like.


In the end for me it was to first give it a bit of a chance and to see it myself (so that I can give arguments for or against it) and after I saw that this was nothing for me I only kept playing for the mount. I know from PvP that you might not get certains mounts anymore because people dont really play the old maps and I also know from Diadem that content can be death after a time. So I just put on some Lets plays to watch and went through that. And then I was finally done with it and could fully concentrate on other stuff.

Frankly, if my hate for a content was that powerful so that I bash anyone who dare say they like it, no mounts would ever make me run the content.

That's why I asked that question. Frequently, people say they like running things with friends, but at what point the content really become fun with people when each person hate it separately ? And if their SO likes it, I'd like to see how they discuss on that, when people who like that content are obviously fanboys/fangirls/whiteknights, etc...are they hypocrite enough so that this applies to everyone except their SO ?

Ok, a new part of the content you depise is released, then what ? If you hate grinding things, how does it bother you that a new grind is available, but only if you did the previous grind ? Especially since we know what will happen to Eureka. Early steps will be nerfed offering a faster progression, allowing people to catch up to experience the later release. So, you'd still have plenty of time to do it later, after severals fixes and QoL improvement.

I hope you dont mean me when you write about bashing other people because I never did. I just hate the content itself not those that play it. Also first we cant even know if and how much they talked about it in private so we cant judge. And as far as I remember those insults were only used on those that themself liked to insult. A lot of other people who liked it without attacking others were never attacked that way.

Like I said, what if that new part of the content is miles better and could be fun? Also I dont hate to grind things..right now my hours in this game are done with gathering thousands of items for my crafters and I have played enough grindy MMOs and enjoyed it. I just dislike how this grind was done and because its the only thing we have in it after such a long time. We dont know if this will be really nerfed (and when) and not every content in this game got better over time..I mean I have heard that they even discussed to take out Diadem as a whole. If someone wanted to wait until they nerf that they might never get the chance to do it. I dont want to take that risk especially with such a nice mount.