We need better comunication with the Community team

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think it's more that arguing in support of Eureka is simply more subjective.

From an objective standpoint, Eureka has problems. A number of them. So people who dislike the content - myself included - have an easy basis upon which to make logical arguments for feelings, while also providing constructive improvements. For individuals on the other side of the coin, however, really all there is to say is that "I like the content despite X, Y, and Z."

It's absolutely fine to say that, of course, but it's a vastly more subjective position than those criticizing Eureka. So it can be quite tricky to inject peacefully into most of the threads floating around on the forums. At best, it comes off as sort of an anecdotal note that doesn't really sway a topic; at worst, it comes off as white knighting, usually because someone stated their opinion in a manner that implicitly denies all of the objective concerns people were highlighting previously.

TL; DR: I don't think there's any widespread effort to silence the voices of those who like Eureka. I do think, however, that threads aimed at constructive criticism or venting are the wrong places to post those opinions. It's not that a position of support is invalid; it's that there's very little objective basis on which to support Eureka, whilst there's a lot of objective problems

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I'm just tired of people overblowing the amount of time required, and telling those of us who enjoy it that our experiences are wrong and that we are white knights for accepting "garbage no content diadem 3.0 trash, etc."

Could we use more communication? Sure, but we used to get quite a bit more, and as the NA/EU communities pounced on every little miss-translation and changed plan, they started communicating less, and only where there was a confirmed change.

You see this a lot in people signatures, especially relating to housing. This community just does not let go of any perceived slights, or as I've seen mentioned somewhat frequently, "slaps in the face from the devs" over things. It's no real wonder they only come to us when things are real bad to offer bits of info, or when things are confirmed to be added in the next patch/hotfix.

You will not get a plan immediately from the devs on Eureka's improvements yet, not likely until we get closer to 4.3, as anything they say now will be picked over until the final day, and then anything that was mentioned that isn't there will be in rage threads blaming the devs for lying to them. It's happened before.

[Vstarstruck]

I'm just tired of people overblowing the amount of time required, and telling those of us who enjoy it that our experiences are wrong and that we are white knights for accepting "garbage no content diadem 3.0 trash, etc."

and I am tried of people posting flame war bait where it does not belong. You had no reason to post that first post in my thread other then to start flame war with me.

For the time it takes to do something that is very subjective, it takes too long in one sitting, everyone that likes it misses this basic point. I do not care about how much time it takes to complete, now this is not a like vs dislike diadem 3.0 thread, it is supposed to be about devs communicating with us.

The devs did lie to us with this diadem 3.0, they said it was going ot be new, innovative, and solo friendly. None of these where met despite delays, and we got empty content. We did not get the investment in this, we should not be waiting at this point because of the delays. I defiantly expected something more refined after all those delays. We got the start of the relic quest very late, sacrificing content in SB for this, and we still got nothing from it. So trying to go off "it is only beta phase it will improve" is hard to swallow.

For the housing situation, yes they should did better with that too.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

and I am tried of people posting flame war bait where it does not belong. You had no reason to post that first post in my thread other then to start flame war with me.

For the time it takes to do something that is very subjective, it takes too long in one sitting, everyone that likes it misses this basic point. I do not care about how much time it takes to complete, now this is not a like vs dislike diadem 3.0 thread, it is supposed to be about devs communicating with us.

I was simply responding to other posts in this thread. I also amended the reply you quoted just not to be on topic, as there is a character limit.

[Ruf]

Could we use more communication? Sure, but we used to get quite a bit more, and as the NA/EU communities pounced on every little miss-translation and changed plan, they started communicating less, and only where there was a confirmed change.

That is a comment with many examples as a counter argument,I have stated examples before & I did not even want to post examples to begin with.That statement Valkyrie just said there sounds false to me, as for years there was a countless amount of 0 communication & ignorance on every side & aspect of this whole thing.I am simply stuck without being able to state examples as this will go bad if I do + ppl are apparently tired of reading what I have to say so I wont make it worst by bringing up 100more examples.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That is something I could use sooooooooo many examples to counter argument,just like I have done before upon something else & I did not even want to post examples to begin with,but I wil say this:That statement Valkyrie just said there sounds false to me, as for years there was a countless amount of 0 communication & ignorance on every side & aspect of this whole thing.I am simply stuck without being able to state examples as this will go bad if I do + ppl are apparently tired of reading what I have to say so I wont make it worst by bringing up 100more examples.

Dev tracker only goes back to 1/18/17 and there are 500 posts stored there. Or rather, it may be limited to the last 500 posts made by the dev/community team, I am not sure which.

Safe to say they do in fact, communicate, maybe not as often or with as much info as people want, but it is there.