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    I disagree with the concept of fun grinding, grinding implies taking your time to continuisly repeat an action while working towards a goal which cannot remain fun, frankly I think we just glance the root of the problem, maybe by that ppl want to say that actually they find the combat itself to be boring, in which case the content is not the culprit, but the combat of the game is.
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    So the whole idea behind Eureka was, to gave people just another way to level up from the start? (So the new to MMO system was meant to still feel like the launch of any MMO?) Solo for next one as well..if this is like this one then that will be "great".

    We waited 17 months for content that was meant for the majority and more casual players (thus relic behind it) to have a system that makes people feel like they are back at grinding stuff from the beginning and it seems that we will only get a levelsync system and some small changes and only different elements in the next Eureka part. So our feedback again is for nothing? That completely innovative..can we get stuff completely from the beginning and not somewhere when we are at Eureka 4?

    To get back to the topic: This shows that they have quite the problem with communication..nothing like that was ever told to us before it. Maybe tell us before that you plan on creating a system where people can just grind again..(because the grind at the start of an MMO is so great for many..)

    I really have no words..
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    So the whole idea behind Eureka was, to gave people just another way to level up from the start? (So the new to MMO system was meant to still feel like the launch of any MMO?) Solo for next one as well..if this is like this one then that will be "great".

    We waited 17 months for content that was meant for the majority and more casual players (thus relic behind it) to have a system that makes people feel like they are back at grinding stuff from the beginning and it seems that we will only get a levelsync system and some small changes and only different elements in the next Eureka part. So our feedback again is for nothing? That completely innovative..can we get stuff completely from the beginning and not somewhere when we are at Eureka 4?

    To get back to the topic: This shows that they have quite the problem with communication..nothing like that was ever told to us before it. Maybe tell us before that you plan on creating a system where people can just grind again..(because the grind at the start of an MMO is so great for many..)

    I really have no words..
    I am really confused by this, as it still does not explain why all the delays for NO CONTENT! I mean is that even an accurate translation? where they trying to mimic the start of an MNO or 1.0's start? Also I do not get why the English players have to hunt for communication, what was said there should been said here on day 1 or day 2 when it got so much blacklash, explain the situation, and other things along that nature.

    Now maybe this is paranoia due to the current situation but it feels like this promotion is made with plans to throw him under the bus later, pressuring him to quit later because xxx went wrong to look honorable. Hope that is not the case but the situation feels wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    I am really confused by this, as it still does not explain why all the delays for NO CONTENT!
    Maybe we misunderstood them and when they talked about Eureka they meant the whole deal..and somewhere on Eureka X we will get that what we wanted..its just bad that this might be too late for some..(and if they meant all of it why not release it all at once?) I really hope that the other parts of Eureka are not the only content we will get for SB..I am still hoping for a second part of Deep Dungeon with maybe our feedback in it.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    To get back to the topic: This shows that they have quite the problem with communication..nothing like that was ever told to us before it. Maybe tell us before that you plan on creating a system where people can just grind again..(because the grind at the start of an MMO is so great for many..)
    I think it's more like the NA/EU community have a problem with communication because it seems JP gets it, so perhaps it's not a problem about the dev team but commuinity management and we should probably press that.
    I mean if also the rumor that JP gets more dev talks than us is true than the men in middle are not up to par and should be riled up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    I think it's more like the NA/EU community have a problem with communication because it seems JP gets it, so perhaps it's not a problem about the dev team but commuinity management and we should probably press that.
    I mean if also the rumor that JP gets more dev talks than us is true than the men in middle are not up to par and should be riled up
    Especially since the last few surveys have shown that NA alone is I think already bigger than JP and together with EU we are the majority of the playerbase right now. And yet the JP playerbase gets these liveletters, visits, Yoshida writes whole pages in a magazine about his thoughts and more and we only get them either really late as a translation (be it official or fan) or nothing at all. You have Koji Fox as a staff member why cant he for example visit our servers?
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Especially since the last few surveys have shown that NA alone is I think already bigger than JP and together with EU we are the majority of the playerbase right now. And yet the JP playerbase gets these liveletters, visits, Yoshida writes whole pages in a magazine about his thoughts and more and we only get them either really late as a translation (be it official or fan) or nothing at all. You have Koji Fox as a staff member why cant he for example visit our servers?
    It is the language.
    Takes WoW for exmaple, I havent see WoW devs ever speak to Korean, China, and Taiwan WoW community.
    All of the communications are done with English community because they speaks English
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    It is the language.
    Takes WoW for exmaple, I havent see WoW devs ever speak to Korean, China, and Taiwan WoW community.
    All of the communications are done with English community because they speaks English
    Like I wrote in the other thread, English is one of the major languages all around the world and is probably spoken by a huge amount of people. You learn it even in Japan and on top of that they have staff that should have English as its main language (Koji Fox for example) and thus should be able to talk to us. WoW probably also has it in English because the majority of their playerbase understands it. The majority of the playerbase here in FF14 is not from Japan anymore but from the western countries. So having still no direct english translator in the liveletters or at least have some of the english speaking staff visiting our worlds would help. Or some more posts on this forum.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    @Mahrze, I went ahead and gave that it's own thread for visibility. Too buried in here, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcari View Post
    @Mahrze, I went ahead and gave that it's own thread for visibility. Too buried in here, IMO.
    Oh I know it'll lose visibility. Wanted to point out we got the closest thing to an official reply, since it comes form Yoshi.
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    If you say so.

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