Should FF14 take a new route? Discussion

[Moogly]

healing needs to be fixed

If SE actually made healers heal in this game, it will backfire against them with all the DPS-maniac healers who will then say this is wrong.... A healer have to dps, yada, yada...
It is just so much more self-rewarding to rub the epeen on DPS than to actually help your partymates :/

[Maero]

Some may laugh and obviously quote me for this and argue as this is how the forum is but having played a tech test last year and 2 beta's in a row for Tera online for console, there are things in that game that they do better then ffxiv.
I much prefer the reward system and to some extent the combat.
Perhaps while of course not copy and aside from wow they should look at other games for inspiration?
Changes are definately needed going forward if it is to survive for years to come

[Laladyn]

They should just hire me as lead producer and director for the next FF MMORPG.

[Vahlnir]

As much as we give shit for them to adding a cash shop and some promotion I would like to remind that Wow cash shop exist too and for some items is more expensive and let's not forget the TCG promotion (which btw is no longer printed so expect paying a hefty amount on ebay if you fancy those cosmetics)

edit: not implying that is correct either way just saying the fact

They cancelled the TCG stuff about 2 years ago I think? Maybe 3, honestly don't remember. That's not really something to compare with the cash shops though. Arguably it was worse, but not the same. They also made those rewards obtainable in game via the BMAH after they stopped printing cards...if not all of them, most of them. WoW's cash shop is also like, 1/100th the size of XIV's. They've got mounts, pets, and some glamour. That's it. I don't really count character services because every game has those in some form or another (aka transfers, appearance changes). And they only add to it maybe 4 times in an expansion cycle. Usually it's 2 mounts and 2 pets. Other than those 4 things, and 3 helmets, the mounts, pets armor sets are obtainable in game. XIV's cash shop is way, way, WAY more expensive for most things too. Even WoW's glamour pieces are cheaper and are far fewer in number. There's like, 3 of those I think. Another thing to also mention is, all of WoW's cash shop items are account wide.

[Remedi]

They cancelled the TCG stuff about 2 years ago I think? Maybe 3, honestly don't remember. That's not really something to compare with the cash shops though. Arguably it was worse, but not the same. They also made those rewards obtainable in game via the BMAH after they stopped printing cards...if not all of them, most of them. WoW's cash shop is also like, 1/100th the size of XIV's. They've got mounts, pets, and some glamour. That's it. I don't really count character services because every game has those in some form or another (aka transfers, appearance changes). And they only add to it maybe 4 times in an expansion cycle. Usually it's 2 mounts and 2 pets. Other than those 4 things, and 3 helmets, the mounts, pets armor sets are obtainable in game. XIV's cash shop is way, way, WAY more expensive for most things too. Even WoW's glamour pieces are cheaper and are far fewer in number. There's like, 3 of those I think. Another thing to also mention is, all of WoW's cash shop items are account wide.

If you think that I'm defending FFXIV cash shop you are mistaken, I've said in the later replies that I despise cashop and bad behaviors about any company, I don't like ppl that turn a blind eye about them because they are their favorite,
Regardless I could say that most of FFXIV cash shop items have been avaible in-game and if you did the events they might aswell not exist for you.
As for the TCG I don't know if they appear on BMAH but I do know that the code can be redeemed again and that's why ppl sells them on E-bay or other places and while it's not something to compare to you it's still a terrible way to wall in-game items just like the statue with the emote, though I HOPE ppl spent money on it because they wanted the statue and not the emote.
As the FFXIV cash shop beign more expensive. Last time I checked it wasn't, maybe they did a big cut, but frankly it was some EU cheaper than FFXIV and as for things beign account wide, I agree that's shitty though the game doesn't really encourages having more than one character.

edit (post saving: @Aerlana I've spent a post to explain that cash shops are the worst I simply don't like ppl turning a blind eye to blizzard because it's blizzard. as I said if it was konami or EA or WB doing something that either bethesda or Activision-blizzard does everyone will be at their throat

[Liam_Harper]

TCG loot at least is tradable ingame, though the items are ridiculously scarce now they've been discontinued. But I do have a full TCG pet collection and 3 mounts back on WoW that I bought back in the day with ingame currency.

One other thing with WoW's cash shop is due to the WoW token you could actually buy anything, including character services and even your sub, with ingame currency. They're reasonably generous with gold too. People can and do play for "free".

This might be an unpopular opinion, but the token system wouldn't be a bad idea for Enix tbh. It's high profit for them, almost eliminates RMT since a legal version competes with the RMT sellers and gives access to cash shop items to the regular player for gil.

[Shihen]

If SE actually made healers heal in this game, it will backfire against them with all the DPS-maniac healers who will then say this is wrong.... A healer have to dps, yada, yada...
It is just so much more self-rewarding to rub the epeen on DPS than to actually help your partymates :/

Oh geez, is that why healing is such a snoozefest? I thought it was the 2.5s GCD, impractical MP cost of sustained healing, healing only requiring a small fraction of a healer's time and attention, and the design allowing non-dps roles to contribute significant dps. But now that I know it was the epeens all along, I think I'll play another class. Maybe a Paladin with Shield Oath on 1 and Flash bound to every other key.

/s

[Aerlana]

It's bad either way but you don't have mounts costing 1.5k EU on ebay atm,

TCG was a fun and not so good thing. Some card also was for IG item that was consumable, 50 use = finished.

Btw, the 1k5 dollars mount it is the rarity. but it is not blizzard's prices. Blizzard did sell the cards as any other TCG (a ack with few cards the same price, and then you pray to get the good one). I dont see why it is a ay to says "blizzard does worst" else, what about all those SE shop stuff with in game goodies?
Those 1k5 will go in anyone's poeckt, not blizzard.

I dont care people asking for more in cash shop, i said what i think about this Sub mmo = No cash shop, either blizzard or SE!

Just, stop watching what other games doest worst, if you want a wonderfull FFXIV, just watch what other games does BETTER than FFXIV and say "we want at least as good as this"

With a "this game does it really more bad than FFXIV" you just try to justify anything bad in FFXIV with a "dont cry, could be worst"
With a "this game doest it really better" you just come to ask "Please SE, prove you are the best devs and editor!"



Edit for remedi : I did bad read after i admit.
But, i think it is also us to speak a better way : now, ignore stupid people. If they say again and again the same stupidity it is their matter and we could loose time to explain. Just we have to focus on what really matters : FFXIV, and what can be improved! Ignore stupid comment "this is worst than FFXIV" is the best thing we can do for now.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If SE actually made healers heal in this game, it will backfire against them with all the DPS-maniac healers who will then say this is wrong.... A healer have to dps, yada, yada...
It is just so much more self-rewarding to rub the epeen on DPS than to actually help your partymates :/

In my experiences, the healer only healers are significantly worse. Back in Heavensward, I started experimenting near the end of Creator with a simple rule. If my co-healer did not go into Cleric Stance within 20ish seconds after the boss was pulled, I let them primarily solo healer. 9/10, they simply couldn't handle it whereas DPS centric healers were far better at adapting.

Anywho, it's more self-rewarding because XIV only rewards damage. In fact, we have this DPS mindset because so very little content requires much healing. Take Rabanastre, for instance. Unless people are dumb, you simply don't need two healers for any of the bosses. That only encourages bad habits.

[Vahlnir]

If you think that I'm defending FFXIV cash shop you are mistaken, I've said in the later replies that I despise cashop and bad behaviors about any company, I don't like ppl that turn a blind eye about them because they are their favorite

I never accused you of defending it, just giving you some information about the business practices of the most successful MMO, and some things that they changed. Thing is, they probably wouldn't need the cash shop to fund the game because they put real effort into the content they make. But it probably does help a bit.

As far as holiday events go, you can also get the rewards for WoW's every year. In game. Always. So...yes, XIV's cash shop is far more expensive collectively. You need to get a few facts straight, imo.