Should FF14 take a new route? Discussion

[Vahlnir]

As much as we give shit for them to adding a cash shop and some promotion I would like to remind that Wow cash shop exist too and for some items is more expensive and let's not forget the TCG promotion (which btw is no longer printed so expect paying a hefty amount on ebay if you fancy those cosmetics)

edit: not implying that is correct either way just saying the fact

They cancelled the TCG stuff about 2 years ago I think? Maybe 3, honestly don't remember. That's not really something to compare with the cash shops though. Arguably it was worse, but not the same. They also made those rewards obtainable in game via the BMAH after they stopped printing cards...if not all of them, most of them. WoW's cash shop is also like, 1/100th the size of XIV's. They've got mounts, pets, and some glamour. That's it. I don't really count character services because every game has those in some form or another (aka transfers, appearance changes). And they only add to it maybe 4 times in an expansion cycle. Usually it's 2 mounts and 2 pets. Other than those 4 things, and 3 helmets, the mounts, pets armor sets are obtainable in game. XIV's cash shop is way, way, WAY more expensive for most things too. Even WoW's glamour pieces are cheaper and are far fewer in number. There's like, 3 of those I think. Another thing to also mention is, all of WoW's cash shop items are account wide.

[Remedi]

They cancelled the TCG stuff about 2 years ago I think? Maybe 3, honestly don't remember. That's not really something to compare with the cash shops though. Arguably it was worse, but not the same. They also made those rewards obtainable in game via the BMAH after they stopped printing cards...if not all of them, most of them. WoW's cash shop is also like, 1/100th the size of XIV's. They've got mounts, pets, and some glamour. That's it. I don't really count character services because every game has those in some form or another (aka transfers, appearance changes). And they only add to it maybe 4 times in an expansion cycle. Usually it's 2 mounts and 2 pets. Other than those 4 things, and 3 helmets, the mounts, pets armor sets are obtainable in game. XIV's cash shop is way, way, WAY more expensive for most things too. Even WoW's glamour pieces are cheaper and are far fewer in number. There's like, 3 of those I think. Another thing to also mention is, all of WoW's cash shop items are account wide.

If you think that I'm defending FFXIV cash shop you are mistaken, I've said in the later replies that I despise cashop and bad behaviors about any company, I don't like ppl that turn a blind eye about them because they are their favorite,
Regardless I could say that most of FFXIV cash shop items have been avaible in-game and if you did the events they might aswell not exist for you.
As for the TCG I don't know if they appear on BMAH but I do know that the code can be redeemed again and that's why ppl sells them on E-bay or other places and while it's not something to compare to you it's still a terrible way to wall in-game items just like the statue with the emote, though I HOPE ppl spent money on it because they wanted the statue and not the emote.
As the FFXIV cash shop beign more expensive. Last time I checked it wasn't, maybe they did a big cut, but frankly it was some EU cheaper than FFXIV and as for things beign account wide, I agree that's shitty though the game doesn't really encourages having more than one character.

edit (post saving: @Aerlana I've spent a post to explain that cash shops are the worst I simply don't like ppl turning a blind eye to blizzard because it's blizzard. as I said if it was konami or EA or WB doing something that either bethesda or Activision-blizzard does everyone will be at their throat

[Vahlnir]

If you think that I'm defending FFXIV cash shop you are mistaken, I've said in the later replies that I despise cashop and bad behaviors about any company, I don't like ppl that turn a blind eye about them because they are their favorite

I never accused you of defending it, just giving you some information about the business practices of the most successful MMO, and some things that they changed. Thing is, they probably wouldn't need the cash shop to fund the game because they put real effort into the content they make. But it probably does help a bit.

As far as holiday events go, you can also get the rewards for WoW's every year. In game. Always. So...yes, XIV's cash shop is far more expensive collectively. You need to get a few facts straight, imo.

[Maero]

Some may laugh and obviously quote me for this and argue as this is how the forum is but having played a tech test last year and 2 beta's in a row for Tera online for console, there are things in that game that they do better then ffxiv.
I much prefer the reward system and to some extent the combat.
Perhaps while of course not copy and aside from wow they should look at other games for inspiration?
Changes are definately needed going forward if it is to survive for years to come

[Laladyn]

They should just hire me as lead producer and director for the next FF MMORPG.

[Liam_Harper]

TCG loot at least is tradable ingame, though the items are ridiculously scarce now they've been discontinued. But I do have a full TCG pet collection and 3 mounts back on WoW that I bought back in the day with ingame currency.

One other thing with WoW's cash shop is due to the WoW token you could actually buy anything, including character services and even your sub, with ingame currency. They're reasonably generous with gold too. People can and do play for "free".

This might be an unpopular opinion, but the token system wouldn't be a bad idea for Enix tbh. It's high profit for them, almost eliminates RMT since a legal version competes with the RMT sellers and gives access to cash shop items to the regular player for gil.

[GetFoesReqd]

I love this game in spite of its faults and failings, and I love Yoshi P and his team for doing what I think is a good job, especially in a company that holds different interests than he and his team. I don't think changing him would help, because I feel the stagnation is more a result of SE themselves. Lately, they have treated their historically best games as cash cows and commodities, and have disrespected some of their classics terribly, as their recent PC ports from Nier's bugginess on to the recent "definitive edition" of Chrono Trigger that is actually just the mobile garbage have shown.

They show such a lack of love for new and old games alike, that I don't honestly think anything in this world would convince them to give Yoshi the needed people and funds to finish fixing this game for its lifetime, but switching him for someone else of SE's choice would likely just hamstring the game entirely. I do think 14 has potential to be a lot better, I just don't think that they will let it be, and that's a real shame. Hopefully I turn out to be wrong, but game companies in general have only given many of us cause to be cynical lately and SE themselves aren't really bothering to do anything about it as long as the dollars flow, which I am sure has been said a million times already here.

[Aerlana]

Lately, they have treated their historically best games as cash cows

You mean, like FFXIV and the vendor sub, the 700 dollars cash shop (that dont include wedding or dyes) in a subscription MMORPG?

The road we have now is a road where FFXIV as to generate as much profit as possible. so, content with poor work on it (eureka is not anything that needed 17 month... ) and a big cash shop...

[Remedi]

Activision-blizzard pls, neither is better they are both greedy that was my point, however my ppl are saying that the cash shop on FFXIV is like some LE GASP moment which frankly it's not companies are vulture, that's the truth

As someone has stated they don't some some of the money, they want ALL the money

edit: And since we are at it why no1 asks to the devs about why they keep adding paied retainers instead of unlocking some free ones for us, It really annoys me that space is handled in that manner. At least they are working actively on fixing the inventory, but that stain still lasts

[Alleo]

I know that we are kinda on the same page on this Remedi. I am just a person that likes to answer questions that are directed at me so I gave them even after you already posted a bit more. So yes both are greedy and its kinda sad. I do have a friend that loved FF and kinda bought a lot of stuff from SE but the recent things in FF14 and the greed kinda turned him off and he said that he does not want to buy any bigger things from them. So this can turn negative for them too. (And yes I also have posted that I find it bad that we get more paid retainers and not at least one free one per expansion..)

I just hope that they get more budget, a better server/code and finally take some risk..and if they dont want to risk then its completely fine to just use the great things from other MMOs and put their interpretation of this in FF14. (But without it being completely complicated..)