Lily a little unnecessary?

[Culfinrandir]

You can cancel Fey Union if you want your fairy to start using Embrace on someone else. It's astronomically more useful than the Lily system as of now; there's a reason I play SCH for my expert roulettes despite being an Astrologian raid healer, and that's because SCH's off-hands healing tools are just straight busted.

Last time I cancelled Fey Union the fairy disappeared & I had to resummon. At least it's cheaper to do that now. I haven't done any expert roulettes in SB as I've just not had any motivation to do so. I still haven't done A12... I think I burned out on endgame content. At least Eureka is something different.

[loreleidiangelo]

Last time I cancelled Fey Union the fairy disappeared & I had to resummon. At least it's cheaper to do that now. I haven't done any expert roulettes in SB as I've just not had any motivation to do so. I still haven't done A12... I think I burned out on endgame content. At least Eureka is something different.

Fairy shouldn't disappear after canceling Fey Union; sounds like a bug (or accidentally hit Dissipation). And yes, I've noticed most of your time is just spent these days with the AFK chair next to your name in Rhalgar's. :P But at any rate, canceling Fey Union should work without de-summoning your fairy - I do it all the time for tank spot-heals during boss fights where I'd rather use stacks on Energy Drain than Lustrate.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

yeah. i hope they will plan something else for the Lily

[Tridus]

You're right. Lilies are tacked on and not especially important. One common tip for newbie white mages is to ignore them. Why? Because fishing for lilies encourages suboptimal gameplay. You do not want to spam Cure unless you have no choice. You do not want to save Assize/Asylum/Tetra/DB for a long time in case you might need them later and only use them with full lilies. You use them whenever they're useful (or at certain times in higher end content) to get the benefit and give yourself more time to do other stuff (like DPS).

Frankly, if you removed lilies, WHM would be barely affected in terms of how it plays. That is a dead giveaway.

edit - In fact, I contend WHM is the only job in the game that wouldn't be impacted at all if you removed its job gauge and the related mechanics. It's that unimportant.

[VanilleFang]

Especially with the recent change to DB lilies bring literally nothing impactful. DB is so much stronger with out the lily requirement while the Lily system is weaker.

[MagnusSforzando]

As Someone who has mained WHM since the day FFXIV was released on the PS3, I literally pay 0 attention whatsoever to the fact lilies exist, and it has no adverse effects on my game play. I even forget they're there until I've used cure 3 times and I hear the maxed out sound they play when you max out your gauge.

And since Divine Benison no longer requires a lily to use, I literally have no use for it. I run savage, and extreme content all the time, and the few second cool down reduction i may occasionally receive on the abilities that it may apply to has pretty much gone unnoticed by me.

So yes, you could remove lilies altogether, and you wouldn't change your play style at all.

[Cheremia]

Don't use them, don't need them.

Why should i align anything to this lackluster cooldownreduce?

Tetra up? Yes-> do i need it? Yes-> Use. Otherwise don't
Divine bension up? yes-> Need to use? Yes-> Use, otherwise don't. Should be up before next trashpull anyways.
Asylum up? Yes -> Do you need it? Yes-> Can you position it? Yes-> Use. Otherwise don't
Assize up? Yes->Use for trash. Assize up again? Yes-> use after aoes or just whenever on bosses in dungeons because who cares.

Divine bension and assize are the only things you can use for dynamic uses anyways. Divine fpr tankbuster and Assize for SOMETIMES little emergency mp boosts.
Thats about it.
That's all there is to it... Don't need cooldownreduce on skills i don't NEED to use on cooldown. Ever.
It's just a waste of complicated thinking when not needed.


Its the same as trying to stack more than 1 confession... everything is full then ANYWAYS.
Really, don't bother, just use skills when they are needed. And they either are or aren't up afterwards, whm has enough other options for that time.

[basketofseals]

I like lilies. They're a nice little comeback mechanic if you die or run out of mana through other means.

They only seemed so tacked on because healers don't really heal much. If you've done high level pulling in Eureka, you'll get a lot of use out of them.

[KDSilver]

Lilies system could actually be more or less interesting or at least "useful" if we could hold it and spend it on the specific ressources we want.

However with the current situation, if you wanted to make a max profit, you'd need to do the opposite, meaning you'd need to "hold" that specific spell OR having to cast 3 cure before using it, which isn't a very productive way to heal.

As we have seen sor far, we can totally play WHM well by completely ignoring lilies. And that's sad that they have spend time designing a jauge like this that is useless.
Should something be done about it ? Yes I think so. Not because WHM need something else particulary, but because well... it's there, dev team worked on it, but the results isn't what was expected.

[Saefinn]

Lillies could definitely be more useful. I mean if it's a cooldown reduction, why not go the extra mile and make it almost a White Mage version of Greased Lightning? So it affects spell speed too. Quicker heals (or quicker damage) would be appealing IMO. Though I can see if they did do that...they'd probably nerf something to accommodate it. But AST gets Lightspeed, which reduces damage but not heals, so I think a WHM version of Greased lightning could be balanced without cutting healing potency. Or replace it with something completely different, maybe increase your crit rate, more crit healing, more crit damage. There are plenty of better things out there than CD reduction to make Lillies more worth it.

But it is also a mechanic it relies too much on single target heals. I've always thought of WHM to be the competant AoE healer who probably focuses more on Medica, Medica II and Regen and only Cure/Cure II when necessary (depending on content). It means overheal or change playstyle.