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  1. #31
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    Metsonm's Avatar
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    Met Rhukon
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Yeah, but we're not even a week in. The concern is what's happening in a month, or a patch, or 5.0 going and redoing relics. Doing previous relics is just running dungeons or whatever, people are doing those for roulettes anyway. There's not going to be a Eureka roulette.
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  2. #32
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MrPresident View Post
    I mean you could say this about basically every content they've done.
    Not really. Hunts are still alive. Dungeons are still alive. Hell, they brought back the old Alliance Raids by putting a roulette on them. If I want to do any of those for any reason, I don't have to wait very long to do so.

    Diadem is dead. Try getting that to pop now. It's harder than PotD floor 31-40, which itself isn't very easy to get these days. Alexander is pretty much only doable with a PF looking for clears and the bonuses that come along with said clears.

    If the next part of the relic is a whole new Eureka island, than this one will be deader than disco. That might happen pretty soon anyway, as the people who enjoy it complete it and the people who don't enjoy it decide they're fine with Mendacity gear.
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    Survivor of Housing Savage 2018.
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  3. #33
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    Bobs's Avatar
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    Dr Ray
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    Famfrit
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    I find it hilarious that the "community" when from

    "I can't believe how grindy this is, wtf, 10 years ago, blah, blah."

    to

    "Oh so this is all the content? Can you please put a turn in all button? And why is this so short."
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  4. #34
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    TheDraco4011's Avatar
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    Draycona Rylai
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    Balmung
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    Miner Lv 70
    I speculate that if the ilvl of the Relic weapon will be forever relegated to the current patches ex primal ilvl, then not just Eureka, but the entire game will see a massive drop in subscriptions by the next x-pac. The thing they needed to take from ff11 was not the mechanics. It was meaningful progression.
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  5. #35
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    Lilila Lila
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    Coeurl
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    I find it hilarious that the "community" when from

    "I can't believe how grindy this is, wtf, 10 years ago, blah, blah."

    to

    "Oh so this is all the content? Can you please put a turn in all button? And why is this so short."
    Almost like everybody can't be grouped into one conglomerate based on your notion of their opinions.
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  6. #36
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    Lilseph's Avatar
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    Shadow Link
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    People in this game tend to rush everything, get all the rewards and never step in that content again.
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  7. #37
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    People in this game tend to rush everything, get all the rewards and never step in that content again.
    Which bodes REALLY badly for Eureka where the most efficient way is getting lots to NM train.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #38
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I have myself 2 full set of relic armors and weapons and feel like there is nothing to do anymore. Leveling was fun, but once you reach lvl 20 it become pretty boring.
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  9. #39
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    Galaktica's Avatar
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    Evermillion Mariposa
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    Ultros
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Impossible to know at the moment. I suspect though that, given their track record, they'll spend most of their time adding more of the same for level 20s to do while they spend too long trying to make it more palatable for low-lvl and/or solo players and that's assuming they willingly acknowledge the problem in the first place given how often they like plant their feet into the dirt until they finally admit they were wrong months if not years later.

    Then, as more and more people drop off the latter stages of the grind, they'll finally make it easier for new players to catch up leading others to go "omg y u make it easy mode reeeeeeeeeee." And when all is said and done, there will be a small fraction of the total playerbase still grinding out Eureka for gear.
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  10. #40
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Pandaemonium
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    Gladiator Lv 1
    Define "lasting".

    It will be kept on life support via the relic and some level 1 glamours that are cheap to convert because the model already exists. They said they learned from their mistakes from Diadem and I have no doubt that they are alluding solely to the reward strategy, rather than anything gameplay related.

    I predict it's gonna stay in a reward rush - zombie cycle for the rest of the expansion, then take on the livelihood of synced coils of bahamut.
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