What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Vstarstruck]

This is subjective. I find leveling my other jobs in PotD to be very boring and brainless. On the other hand, I enjoy leveling in Eureka, for multiple reasons. I'm not saying that this is the pinnacle of fun by any stretch, but grinding Fates in N.Thal, getting Atmas, doing books, gathering light, going A1S again an again, doing years old content, and so on... isn't what I'd call "fun" either. I'm just aware that I'm playing a mainstream WoW-like MMORPG, which helps not raising my standards too much. If Iwanted true novelty and innovation, I wouldn't be playing FFXIV. So, I'd say that people's standards and expectations are part of the issue.



I just hit level 13 out of 20. So, I'm still in the leveling process, not even close to being max level, and I already have the equivalent of 3k crystals. This is enough to have a complete armor set of +2. Or almost 3 Anemos pieces. Or two +2 weapons and some letfovers. Or... you get the idea.
Once level 20, I think that Eureka will become my favourite place to go to gear alt-jobs. Plus, I like quite a lot of the AF3 gear, so, that's a nice bonus.


Call them trash if you want, but they won't hesitate in one-shotting you faster than God Kefka if you are careless. Besides, almost all the "trash mobs" have different kind of attacks. Some cleave, some have ranged AoE, some petrify you, some apply a potent poison, some jump all over the place... Even if it's small, you have to adapt to them in some way. The terrain also plays a part in this.
Sure, it's still farming trash mobs. But a lot of FFXIV is actually exactly that, would it be dungeons, fates, PotD...


Same as above, all NMs have a different strategy that you have to follow. Especially if you go on higher level Fates. And while people compare them to rank S Hunts, the fact that the trash mobs are so dangerous changes the way you approach the fights quite drastically. Also, you are killing them at a very quick pace, all things considered. When I do some Fate trains, sometimes it only takes 10 minutes between the death of a NM and another. The average seems to be between 15 and 20 minutes though.
Maybe one of the reason why I like fighting them is because I'm a tank.


For you main job? Yeah, surely. For you alt jobs? Eureka is probably one of the best content to gear them right now. Looks good though. Isn't glamour the true endgame anyway?
Although I'd agree that the chests are quite annoying. When you get back to camp with a hundred or two to open, only to know that the fast majority will be trash, you'd wish for the rewards to be better. Or at least useful like Eureka potions, a raise potion, some cristals and whatnot. I blame RNG too. Still no mount and no chocobo barding. Sadness.


If there was no penalty for dying, Eureka wouldn't feel threatening at all.
It's clearly not some mind blowing content and it obviously has been overhyped (I still think that people are somewhat responsible for their own expectations though)...
It sure has its flaws, but saying it's 100% garbage is dishonest.

This is me being honest, it is 100% garbage, if I want to to gear all my jobs to 350, the MB is a step away, gaining gil to gear all the jobs is a lot of hell faster then doing every single job in Eureka.

It is people's fault for over hyping it? we waited 17 months for literally no content, brain dead grinding.

Eureka does not feet threatening at all, it is brainless zerging. All the exp loss is added insult to the time wasting place this thing is.

It is funny to me you call deep brainless when it has a much greater risk of full wipe and being kicked out with nothing to show for it, to me that is more dangerous then Eureka can ever do.

How long did it take you get that? 24.7 play? you can't expect causal time rate per day to play like that.

FFXIV is just repeating what is being done since 2.0 and most people are sick of that. Asking for something different and have a different feel is a valid concern. See:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...future-content

I'm not the one thinking it's a "bad grind". I actually find it better than almost all the steps for the relic and anima grinds. Because it's actually new content. Something we didn't get since the very first step of the relic weapon in ARR. That was in late 2013.

No it is not new content, it is old content recycled and reskinned, the problem of this game since 2.0 and the reason people call it diadem 3.0. Both 2.0 and 3.0 relic quest lines was more interesting then this.

[Fyce]

This is me being honest, it is 100% garbage, if I want to to gear all my jobs to 350, the MB is a step away, gaining gil to gear all the jobs is a lot of hell faster then doing every single job in Eureka.

If it's 100% garbage, don't do that optionnal content and wait for it to be nerfed. Go farm the market board instead if that's your jam.

It is people's fault for over hyping it? we waited 17 months for literally no content, brain dead grinding.

You waited. I didn't. I didn't had any expectations. I cannot care less how long it took to make and release. For me, it's like any other piece of released content that I got to play three days ago. No more, no less.

Eureka does not feet threatening at all, it is brainless zerging. All the exp loss is added insult to the time wasting place this thing is.

You do not lose EXP in Eureka. People are here to raise you. Stop blowing that out of proportion. It simply shows how little you know about what is actually going on in Eureka.
And as time goes on, the zerg will fade. At that point, calling is brainless would be a mistake. Whatever the case, you call this relic step brainless. As opposed to what? Farming Atmas? Farming A1S? Farming Fractal Continuum? Farming Light? The relic is a brainless grind and always have been. Except for the very first step of the very first relic.

It is funny to me you call deep brainless when it has a much greater risk of full wipe and being kicked out with nothing to show for it, to me that is more dangerous then Eureka can ever do.

I was speaking about farming PotD for EXP. If you wipe farming floors 51 to 60 in PotD, you're one of the worst player I've seen.

How long did it take you get that? 24.7 play? you can't expect causal time rate per day to play like that.

There are already Lv.20 people who tried dying on purpose to see if they'd get a level down. I'm far from being a 24.7 player.
But what does your question even mean? Did you expect to get your relic in half a week with no effort maybe? You're new to this, aren't you.

FFXIV is just repeating what is being done since 2.0 and most people are sick of that. Asking for something different and have a different feel is a valid concern. See:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...future-content

Yes. So? FFXIV is still alive and doing well. The formula seems to work.
Anyway, it's funny that you'd ask for "something different and have a different feel" when this thread has a lot of people claiming that the previous relic steps were better than Eureka (you included). "We don't want Eureka, we wan't to get back farming atmas!" is what I read from a lot of people in this thread. And that makes absolutly no sense. So start droping your nostalgia googles.

No it is not new content, it is old content recycled and reskinned, the problem of this game since 2.0 and the reason people call it diadem 3.0. Both 2.0 and 3.0 relic quest lines was more interesting then this.

A recycled plastic bottle isn't "new"? You definition is off and dishonest. You're not even playing with words, you're completly changing their definition.
New content doesn't mean "innovative and unseen". And even then, the map is new, some monsters are new, the elemental wheel is new, the story is new...
But, again, I guess you prefer farming Atmas. This was so new and innovative. /s

[Vstarstruck]

A recycled plastic bottle isn't "new"? You definition is off and dishonest. You're not even playing with words, you're completly changing their definition.New content doesn't mean "innovative and unseen". And even then, the map is new, some monsters are new, the elemental wheel is new, the story is new...
But, again, I guess you prefer farming Atmas. This was so new and innovative. /s

Shows how much you know about that place, and why are you insulting me? It is not hard to find someone that can't react to stop running for that silver chest killing everyone because they ran over a mine. It only killed me because I was around the corner behind a wall and did not think the blast would reach me like that (the chest blast, I did try back off and run back a bit after the person triggered the mine but was not far enough)

For the rest I am not even replying if you are going to twist my words around because you are blind fanboy of the place. It is 100% garbage to me and I am shocked to see people supporting it and calling i "new content" there is no "NEW content" in eureka. I said those processes where more interesting, not that they where innovative.

Do not insult me because you tolerate a brainless zergfest while not understanding the dangers of palace of the dead, and how someone can go above and beyond there to prevent wipes.

the "grind" really isnt real. The higher people get, the more higher nms will continously spawn and those drop 100+ protean crystals each and give shitloads of exp
I got 4k crystals so far in 2 days by mostly semi-afking.

the more time I spend in eureka, the more I like it and thats not even sarcastic. The lvl 13 quest almost made me shit my pants, but it it was super fun, because it actually was dangerous and needed some sort auf coordination with other people. Thats something that only potd floor 180+ can offer so far

That is SE's fault for not giving the feeling of progress after 2 hours. Still does not change it is brainless and boring.

[Fyce]

Shows how much you know about that place, and why are you insulting me? It is not hard to find someone that can't react to stop running for that silver chest killing everyone because they ran over a mine. It only killed me because I was around the corner behind a wall and did not think the blast would reach me like that (the chest blast, I did try back off and run back a bit after the person triggered the mine but was not far enough)

It's not an insult to say that someone is a bad player if that person wipes frequently in one of the easiest content in the game. If you try thowing darts at a target and miss a lot, you're bad at throwing darts. It's not an insult, it's an ascertainment. By using your PotD argument, you implied that wiping while farming it for EXP was something that happens more than dying in Eureka. That's completly wrong.

For the rest I am not even replying if you are going to twist my words around because you are blind fanboy of the place. It is 100% garbage to me and I am shocked to see people supporting it and calling i "new content" there is no "NEW content" in eureka. I said those processes where more interesting, not that they where innovative.

A blind fanboy? Are you out of your mind? Did you even read my post and arguments? Did you also read the parts where I admitted that Eureka had flaws? I called it "fine". Not "the best content in Final Fantasy XIV". Is that all you can do, calling someone a "blind fanboy" in order to dismiss their arguments because you have none? If I say that I find farming A1S or Fractal Continuum worse than doing Eureka, it doesn't make me a "blind fanboy". So keep your weak strawman and ad hominem to yourself.

Do not insult me because you tolerate a brainless zergfest while not understanding the dangers of palace of the dead, and how someone can go above and beyond there to prevent wipes.

Be careful everyone, apparently stepping in PotD is way harder and more dangerous than getting cleaved for 70k everytime you sneeze too loud and something hears you in Eureka!
I would've never known after the dozen mindless PotD runs I did to get EXP for my alt jobs...
Please, get real. It's beyond ridiculous.

[Vstarstruck]

A blind fanboy? Are you out of your mind? Did you even read my post and arguments? Did you also read the parts where I admitted that Eureka had flaws? I called it "fine". Not "the best content in Final Fantasy XIV". Is that all you can do, calling someone a "blind fanboy" in order to dismiss their arguments because you have none? If I say that I find farming A1S or Fractal Continuum worse than doing Eureka, it doesn't make me a "blind fanboy". So keep your strawman arguments to yourself.

Now you know how you treated me with your first reply to me, now I am glad we have some understanding how I view your first reply to me.

Care to retry that first reply to me in a more civil manner now? Don't twist my words around, do not insult me, and maybe we can reach a middle.

I will repeat what I said though because of something you said, it is 100% garbage to me, you claim such statements are dishonest. No it is not, I feel that way, I do not like half bake ideas, be told lies "it is not like diadem it is going to be new and innovative."

This did not happen, all they gave us was a stripped diadem with a mindless grind, I have a right to say it is 100% garbage as valid criticism at that point, esp with all the delays. If you are going to delay something that much, it better reflect that extra work. This did not do that, not by a long shot. If this was introduced in 4.0 like it should have been, maybe I would feel different. We are 2/3 done as far as raids before 5.0 , getting close to the second 24 man. It is very late to be releasing relics, and this fell very short of the hype the dev team was trying to give us.

I think your claim about you not waiting for this is off, unless you are just unaware of FFXIV's formula? we had less content then normal 4.0+ because of this, and we get this bare bones area, struggling to call itself content? With all the wait we gave as a playerbase with not much to do 4.0+?

[Fyce]

Now you know how you treated me with your first reply to me, now I am glad we have some understanding how I view your first reply to me.

Care to retry that first reply to me in a more civil manner now? Don't twist my words around, do not insult me, and maybe we can reach a middle.

There was two pages of me answering to people about things you came back on. You didn't even read those responses. You made me repeat myself and lose time because you didn't care to read the next pages. This is irrespectful. Do not expect me to be gentle in my answers if you make me lose my time by repeating what I already said. Especially if you tell nonsense such as "getting exp in PotD is more dangerous than being in Eureka". You also wrongly assumed that I was playing 24.7 without anything to back you up, and made it into an argument. You started strawmaning even before I even talked to you.
So no, I will definitly not play the nice guy to someone who argue against me like that. If you feel offended, then start by being respectful when you talk to someone. Don't make them repeat themselves, and don't assume things randomly.

I will repeat what I said though because of something you said, it is 100% garbage to me, you claim such statements are dishonest. No it is not, I feel that way, I do not like half bake ideas, be told lies "it is not like diadem it is going to be new and innovative."

What I claimed to be dishonest was the way you used the word "new", implying that for something to be new, it had to be something you've never seen before. And everyone know this is almost impossible when it comes to creating content for MMORPGs, especially battle content related to a grind. In short, you used an argument which is fallacious. There is absolutly no way for me to be able to argue against it, because you will always be able to claim "this isn't new" in some way. Even if it gets ridiculous. For example: "it's not new, we are still using the same battle system and mechanics we always did!". Well obviously, they won't change the game engine and battle system entirely for an update coming inbetween two major patches.
So I simply called that argument dishonest, because I didn't wanted to go into that rabbit hole.

This did not happen, all they gave us was a stripped diadem with a mindless grind, I have a right to say it is 100% garbage as valid criticism at that point, esp with all the delays. If you are going to delay something that much, it better reflect that extra work. This did not do that, not by a long shot. If this was introduced in 4.0 like it should have been, maybe I would feel different. We are 2/3 done as far as raids before 5.0 , getting close to the second 24 man. It is very late to be releasing relics, and this fell very short of the hype the dev team was trying to give us.

Don't get hyped if you don't want to be dissapointed. Why treating Eureka differently than any other content? There's no reason to do that.
As I already said, I simply treat as a new relic step like any other. And they created a new instance dedicated to it. This didn't happen since late 2013.

Call it old all you want, they actually made a new instanced content for the new relic saga, exactly like the Chimera was a new instanced boss battle created especially for the first relic. I don't care if they reused assets and mechanics. It's a new instance which ask me to progress by killing stuff without asking me to go do years old content or countless Fates I already did six months ago.