Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Aviars]

When making suggestions/compromises, why don’t you refrain from making comments like the following

Maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you, “champ”. Please get off your high horse. Everything you’ve said about me is a baseless assumption because you can’t find anything to counter my suggestion outside of character attacks. You do know what happens when you ass-u-me, right? I took note of your suggestion, but it got lost in every single thing you said after it because you just couldn’t help yourself from attacking those who simply disagree with you. This isn’t even with regards to my comments, but every person who disagreed with you.

How are they baseless assumptions? Grindy achievments are lazy and effortless and you suggested it. Other comments you made and my response follow the same pattern. Like I said, it is not my fault that when I call your solution promoting effortless/casual grinding and you get insulted by it.

Make the suggestion, debate the pros and cons of any opposing suggestions, but don’t start throwing around ad hominem against the person you’re debating with because it just makes it look like you can’t argue the actual point of the debate, and feel the need to sling mud when you lack the logic to back up counterarguments.

You throw around the word ad hominem as though it furthers your point, there isn't much to debate with you around that. You took offense and started to turn the "debate" all around that fact. Maybe you shouldn't feel so insulted?

I don’t need PvP mounts to feel like I’m a “great player”; I don’t need virtual mounts to feel like I’m better than other people. I don’t even see the point in such thinking anyways; it’s nothing but sheer arrogance to think you’re better than someone else just because you have a virtual dog or chair. Even if they released these mounts via “grindy achievements”, I probably still wouldn’t care enough to try and get them. I don’t care enough to even get the Frontlines mounts, and those are braindead easy to obtain. But again, it’s none of your business what kind of player I am; you don’t know me from Adam.

Why shouldn't be proud of their achievement and reward? Why should other people who don't put in the same effort enjoy the same reward? You seem to have a problem with that sentiment.

Like I said in my previous post, it was a mistake to think that a non-PvPer could actually have a conversation with a PvPer.

If you feel the need to debate a person’s character instead of the argument they are making, also take some time to think about why that is as well.

You made it about character when you took offense at me calling your ideas casual friendly and zero effort. At that point, you didn't want to argue the point and centered your argument around claiming my posts were ad hominems and contained no content. Don't blame me when you were the one who took offense.

[Sindele]

"You made it about character by taking offense to my utterly baseless comments about your character" is an interesting rhetorical approach, but not usually a very successful one.

[HyoMinPark]

You made it about character when you took offense at me calling your ideas casual friendly and zero effort. At that point, you didn't want to argue the point and centered your argument around claiming my posts were ad hominems and contained no content. Don't blame me when you were the one who took offense.

Oh, no. You don’t get to say that you were arguing against my achievements suggestion with those comments; you were explicitly attacking my character because I came in with a suggestion that differed from what you think should be the way of things.

TBH, you just don't like how you aren't able to achieve the same feats as others.

You see, this actually proves to me you don't really care about time exclusivity. It's more like you are afraid you can't get top 100 and it scares you.

You seem to have a problem with people not having the talent or skill to be capable of obtaining such items or mounts.

"Wow it's so hard SE please nerf and give me everything"

That is such a sad mentality

you need to get over the entitlement for things that you don't want to insert the same effort/skill for.

you are insecure about not being able to perform the same as players that do have the talent/hard work. So obviously you would want rewards to be easier to get. That is why you LIKE the idea of Ultimate having the ilvl sync removed in a later expansion. It is clearly the talk of a casual who wants to achieve the same feats as a talented player by wanting grindy achievements and plowing through old content with a lvl and gear advantage.

Again, the main point wasn't his character. He suggested low effort achievements, I made a comment that he seems to prefer low effort achievements. somehow that turns him into a casual, and went about claiming ad hominem the rest of the time. Not exactly my fault

No, no. You called me the casual. Here, let me quote it for you one more time:

you are insecure about not being able to perform the same as players that do have the talent/hard work. So obviously you would want rewards to be easier to get. That is why you LIKE the idea of Ultimate having the ilvl sync removed in a later expansion. It is clearly the talk of a casual who wants to achieve the same feats as a talented player by wanting grindy achievements and plowing through old content with a lvl and gear advantage.

I also find it high amusing—reading through other responses in this thread—that you got tilted at someone who supposedly put words in your mouth, and how they shouldn’t be allowed to insinuate things you never said, but you have zero qualms about doing that to others.

I in no way said what you are implying so don't say that I did.

And yes I will tell you how you feel because it is easy to discern by reading your post.