Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I did refute the LoV argument for one thing, maybe you should actually read? hun ;]

Poorly.

A majority of people I am arguing with want it for the gold saucer or some lazy grinding achievement and I would never agree to such blatant casualization of rewards.

Please quote those people and highlight them specifically saying such because thus far, you have only made baseless assumptions or flat out put words in other people's mouths to justify your bias. I needs only look above for an example. Nowhere in Hyomin's post did she mention removing the ilvl sync from Ultimate nor did she ever once insinuate wanting things nerfed yet you assumed that stance just as you have in your replies with me. With all that said, I'll be crystal clear in how I believe the system ought to change.

Top 100 - 50 Wolf tokens
Top 500 - 25 Wolf tokens
Top 1,000 - 10 Wolf tokens

Each prize will always remain available for purchase but those who perform better will be able to purchase it faster. This removes the exclusivity of each mount without making them an easily obtainable reward.

You made the claim that the rewards only had connections to PVE and therefore they shouldn't be a part of pvp, reread your own comment.

I did not. I said they were ubiquitous as a reward for PvE. To simplify, the overwhelm majority of mounts are made available through some form of PvE content and none are exclusive.

I didn't say you said that pvp shouldn't have rewards. You made the claim that PVP had more of a right to the exclusive mounts and I proved you wrong. It is quite simple.

... I assume you mean PvE because the wording of this implies I was arguing for PvP mount exclusivity. If you proved me wrong in that context, well, you're actually agreeing with me. Soooo

The ranked Feast requirements don't change either, that was the whole point of the argument. To receive certain rewards you are required to play in that season and get top 100 in that season. That requirement does not change. I really can't make it simpler than that champ.

Nor can I, champ. Feast requirements are timed exclusives whereas Ultimate isn't. The whole crux of this argument has been Feast shouldn't have exclusive rewards that can only be obtained during a season if no other content in the entire game has equivalently timed exclusives. To simplify even further...

Dreadwyrm weapons can be obtained from patch 4.1 onward.
Hellhound could only be obtained in 3.55

Can't make it any clearer.

[Aviars]

Poorly.

Oh no, you destroyed my argument by saying the word poorly! WOW!

Please quote those people and highlight them specifically saying such because thus far, you have only made baseless assumptions or flat out put words in other people's mouths to justify your bias. I needs only look above for an example. Nowhere in Hyomin's post did she mention removing the ilvl sync from Ultimate nor did she ever once insinuate wanting things nerfed yet you assumed that stance just as you have in your replies with me. With all that said, I'll be crystal clear in how I believe the system ought to change.

Top 100 - 50 Wolf tokens
Top 500 - 25 Wolf tokens
Top 1,000 - 10 Wolf tokens

Each prize will always remain available for purchase but those who perform better will be able to purchase it faster. This removes the exclusivity of each mount without making them an easily obtainable reward.

People complain every single season offering their "solutions." You can even see variations of these solutions in this thread quite easily as hyomin wants them to be a easy grind achievement.

Also Hyomin made the claim that they would probably nerf Ultimate to make it easy for people. This falls in line with her achievement solution which really is a want.

Also no, top 100 rewards should only be available to top 100 players. why do you keep trying to make it easier to obtain?

I did not. I said they were ubiquitous as a reward for PvE. To simplify, the overwhelm majority of mounts are made available through some form of PvE content and none are exclusive.

You can read your own comments and see yourself saying that Hellhound should be part of a PVE oriented achievement be they were connected to PVE in the first place. You don't like how pvp has a mount that PVE somehow has a right to. Give it up

... I assume you mean PvE because the wording of this implies I was arguing for PvP mount exclusivity. If you proved me wrong in that context, well, you're actually agreeing with me. Soooo

I said PVE. and yes I did prove you wrong by outlining how Hellhounds and the new mount were thematically connected to the wolves dens. So no, I am not agreeing with you, and you are still wrong, champ
;]

Nor can I, champ. Feast requirements are timed exclusives whereas Ultimate isn't. The whole crux of this argument has been Feast shouldn't have exclusive rewards that can only be obtained during a season if no other content in the entire game has equivalently timed exclusives. To simplify even further...

Dreadwyrm weapons can be obtained from patch 4.1 onward.
Hellhound could only be obtained in 3.55

Can't make it any clearer.

I did suggest top 100 players have access to past top 100 rewards, by forfeiting the current seasons rewards, so the timed aspect would be gone

You will never convince me that increasing the threshold to 1000 would be fair, and you know it wouldn't be fair either.

It's quite simple, even you should understand. ;]

[Bourne_Endeavor]

People complain every single season offering their "solutions." You can even see variations of these solutions in this thread quite easily as hyomin wants them to be a easy grind achievement.

Also Hyomin made the claim that they would probably nerf Ultimate to make it easy for people. This falls in line with her achievement solution which really is a want.

Also no, top 100 rewards should only be available to top 100 players. why do you keep trying to make it easier to obtain?

She claimed Ultimate may lose the ilvl sync based on the precedent set. They have never kept content permanently synced. Therefore, it's entirely reasonably to assume come 5.0 they will continue that trend. She never said she wanted it nerfed. That was you putting words in her mouth just as you have done with virtually everyone who responded.

Taking away the exclusivity doesn't make it easier. It makes it consistent. Why should Feast have timed exclusive mounts when Savage and Ultimate don't?

You can read your own comments and see yourself saying that Hellhound should be part of a PVE oriented achievement be they were connected to PVE in the first place. You don't like how pvp has a mount that PVE somehow has a right to. Give it up

I said no such thing, and you're more than welcome to quote me directly if you believe otherwise. You insisted PvP and PvE should be viewed separately. I pointed out the hypocrisy of that stance since the exclusive mounts came from PvE content, thus you can't claim PvP is wholly separate when its rewards are inspired from PvE.

In fact, I have no qualms with either mounts requiring active Feast or season participation. My only complaint is their exclusivity.

I said PVE. and yes I did prove you wrong by outlining how Hellhounds and the new mount were thematically connected to the wolves dens. So no, I am not agreeing with you, and you are still wrong, champ
;]

Curious that your post has a convenient edit attached to it while mine doesn't yet I quoted you directly. Are you that much of a child you need to flat out lie over a simple typo? Wow, indeed.

You will never convince me that increasing the threshold to 1000 would be fair, and you know it wouldn't be fair either.

Nor will you convince me Feast should have a timed exclusive mount only 660 people can obtain when every other piece of content has no such limitation. You simply want to lord your mounts over people.

Alas, we have reached an impasse.

[Aviars]

She claimed Ultimate may lose the ilvl sync based on the precedent set. They have never kept content permanently synced. Therefore, it's entirely reasonably to assume come 5.0 they will continue that trend. She never said she wanted it nerfed. That was you putting words in her mouth just as you have done with virtually everyone who responded.

Taking away the exclusivity doesn't make it easier. It makes it consistent. Why should Feast have timed exclusive mounts when Savage and Ultimate don't?

It could go either one or two ways. Instead of suggesting Ultimate should stay exclusive she suggests Feast rewards should be easier to obtain. Maybe you should read between the lines?

With your suggestions making it available to top 1000 is making it easier. Also, why should Ultimate and Savage have exclusive weapons and top 100 not have exclusive weapons? As you can see your argument can easily be turned against you. why is anything in this game unique???? Why is SE doing something different???? I hate things that are different!!! Basically you in a nutshell

I said no such thing, and you're more than welcome to quote me directly if you believe otherwise. You insisted PvP and PvE should be viewed separately. I pointed out the hypocrisy of that stance since the exclusive mounts came from PvE content, thus you can't claim PvP is wholly separate when its rewards are inspired from PvE.

In fact, I have no qualms with either mounts requiring active Feast or season participation. My only complaint is their exclusivity.

PVP and PVE are two different game modes. Their progression is no where near connected. they are completely separate entities that do not require one another to exists. Just because of some vague thematic connection of the rewards doesn't mean everything PVP has magically becomes something PVE is entitled to as you would suggest.

You complain about exclusivity and in the same breath say you have no problem with SEASONAL TIMED participation. I guess the real problem you have is the fact that the best 100 players in the data center get the rewards? I guess we now know why you keep trying to increase the number to 1000.

Curious that your post has a convenient edit attached to it while mine doesn't yet I quoted you directly. Are you that much of a child you need to flat out lie over a simple typo? Wow, indeed.

You can look at the time of my edit and the time of your post. There is a 16 minute difference. There was nothing fishy going on like you would imply. Just accept you were wrong?

Nor will you convince me Feast should have a timed exclusive mount only 660 people can obtain when every other piece of content has no such limitation. You simply want to lord your mounts over people.

Alas, we have reached an impasse.

Earlier you said you weren't against seasonal participation, so in effect that is just wrong. You literally contradicted yourself. Sorry

In the end your only real qualm is the fact that only top 100 people per datacenter would receive such rewards. There is a reason you keep trying to increase the threshold to 1000. If you really only cared about the timed aspect then you would've made it so top 100 players of future seasons would have a chance at older top 100 rewards, but instead you keep trying to increase it.

Maybe you need to be consistent with your argument like you want SE to remain unchanging in how they operate their game. LOL

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It could go either one or two ways. Instead of suggesting Ultimate should stay exclusive she suggests Feast rewards should be easier to obtain. Maybe you should read between the lines?

With your suggestions making it available to top 1000 is making it easier. Also, why should Ultimate and Savage have exclusive weapons and top 100 not have exclusive weapons? As you can see your argument can easily be turned against you. why is anything in this game unique???? Why is SE doing something different???? I hate things that are different!!! Basically you in a nutshell

... You really are just that daft. Can I get the Hellhound mount right now? No? Well, I can get everything Ultimate and Savage reward. Therefore, they aren't exclusive. You keep using the term yet don't seem to grasp its actual meaning.

PVP and PVE are two different game modes. Their progression is no where near connected. they are completely separate entities that do not require one another to exists. Just because of some vague thematic connection of the rewards doesn't mean everything PVP has magically becomes something PVE is entitled to as you would suggest.

You complain about exclusivity and in the same breath say you have no problem with SEASONAL TIMED participation. I guess the real problem you have is the fact that the best 100 players in the data center get the rewards? I guess we now know why you keep trying to increase the number to 1000.

Two different game modes does not mean one should have exclusive rewards that no other piece of content does.

If you could obtain the Hellhoud in every single season, it's no longer exclusive. That was my whole point. Apparently, it flew over your head. Wouldn't be the first time.

IYou can look at the time of my edit and the time of your post. There is a 16 minute difference. There was nothing fishy going on like you would imply. Just accept you were wrong?

Because I didn't post my response immediately but held the edit. Now you're implying I edited my own post to make a silly typo just to make fun of you? You really are just that childish.

In the end your only real qualm is the fact that only top 100 people per datacenter would receive such rewards. There is a reason you keep trying to increase the threshold to 1000. If you really only cared about the timed aspect then you would've made it so top 100 players of future seasons would have a chance at older top 100 rewards, but instead you keep trying to increase it.

There you go again, assuming people's opinions. I gave a suggestion off the top of my head; even adding you can adjust the numbers to your fancy. If it were up to me, I would put the mounts behind the underused Wolf Collar system and be done with it.

[Vejjiegirl]

... You really are just that daft. Can I get the Hellhound mount right now? No? Well, I can get everything Ultimate and Savage reward.

But, unlike Ultimate and Savage. FFXIV does have exclusives that you can not get, and maybe never ever again. I'll list a few of them for you:

1.0 Version Exlusives
1. 1.0 Goobue Mount
2. 1.0 Legacy Chocobo
3. Dated Armor (basically armor that can be worn regardless of your role) (1502 items in total)
4. White Ravens
5. Over-Aspected Crystals (still buyable from other players that have them)
6 Dalamud Horn

Overseas Exlusive
1. China's Imitiation Crafter/Gatherer Replica sets, we may never see these in NA considering Yoshi-P's stance on cross job glam. But basically these sets allow you to glamour crafter gear onto combat gear.
Example Image:
https://imgur.com/EsoR0JB.png
Source:
http://act.ff.sdo.com/20170918Shop/mall.html#/mall

Minion Exlusives
1. Wind Up Bahamut
2. Wind up Dalamud
3. Spoony Bard
*(There are probably a lot more minions you can no longer get because they were limited to only a few codes)*

You should not say it is unfair for PVP to have the only exclusive items in the game when there have been exclusives around in the game for a long time.

On a side note:
Rewards for the top 100 players is a way for Squarenix to motivate people to even do ranked in the first place. You can see what pvp is like without rewards by seeing activity in feast during pre-season where there is no reward.
During pre-season ques are extremely dead and it takes a huge community effort to even get people motivated to play at the same time.

(example)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ght-3-11-18%21
or


Without a reward people are not motivated to play and pvp dies.
There are many people within the pvp community that love pvp and wish to keep playing regardless of the reward.
However we know that these rewards are a necessity to keep ques active and people motivated.

For many people the rewards are also a thing to work for, a huge accomplishment we can show off for our month (almost 3 month) long struggle against other people(that are also seeking the same thing).

[AriaFairchild]

There are people in the game that seem to lothe pvp and hate doing it for the reward it has, but there are many people within the pvp community that love pvp and wish to keep playing. Many of us dont even play for the reward but for the thrill of playing
but we know the exclusive rewards are a necessity to keep ques active.

In other words, we are Khornates - kill for sake of killing. Rei, I love you. Please send nudes!

[Vahlnir]

-snip-

Probably the most logical, well assembled post in this thread. Well said. While I'm not a fan of the whole exclusive rewards a lot of people simply won't bother trying to get....you make very good points.

[Liam_Harper]

Without a reward people are not motivated to play and pvp dies.
There are many people within the pvp community that love pvp and wish to keep playing regardless of the reward.
However we know that these rewards are a necessity to keep ques active and people motivated.

But wouldn't a top 100 reward only serve to motivate the tiny handful of players confident enough to place in the top 100?

If a regular player wasn't too interested in trying PvP to start with, a reward they'd never realistically obtain doesn't mean much to them. Not sure how an exclusive minority reward would serve to flesh out the PvP community long-term.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

But, unlike Ultimate and Savage. FFXIV does have exclusives that you can not get, and maybe never ever again. I'll list a few of them for you:

1.0 Version Exlusives

I feel this is a bit disingenuous because 1.0 exclusives require an entirely different game—one that no longer exists. Likewise, Overseas exclusive fall into a similar category. Speaking of, your example doesn't exactly work since we have the Crafter/Gatherer sets just not replica variations. A comparable example would be releasing reskinned Hellhounds.

Minion Exlusives
1. Wind Up Bahamut
2. Wind up Dalamud
3. Spoony Bard
*(There are probably a lot more minions you can no longer get because they were limited to only a few codes)*

These exclusives have been stopped due to complaints. For instance, Wind-Up Yotsuyu had no timed exclusive. Even the Moogle outfit eventually made it to the Mogstation. As someone who has exclusive minions (Carbuncles), I have absolutely no qualms with them being made available again.

On a side note:
Rewards for the top 100 players is a way for Squarenix to motivate people to even do ranked in the first place. You can see what pvp is like without rewards by seeing activity in feast during pre-season where there is no reward.
During pre-season ques are extremely dead and it takes a huge community effort to even get people motivated to play at the same time.

Yet the most active PvP has ever been was after they removed Grand Company restrictions and released Garo gear—something everyone could work towards at their respective leisure. A reward only 600 people can obtain fails to motivate the overwhelming majority as they'll perceive they have little to no chance obtaining it, hence why PvP has always died each and every season. I don't doubt the intent behind these exclusive mounts. It just hasn't paid dividends. Locking rewards behind Wolf Collars maintains a reward but would serve a far better incentive. Those who dedicate themselves will obtain everything significantly faster not unlike Savage drops whereas those willing to wait can gradually earn the stuff they want, albeit at a much slower pace.

For many people the rewards are also a thing to work for, a huge accomplishment we can show off for our month (almost 3 month) long struggle against other people(that are also seeking the same thing).

As was Ultimate. They received only a title.