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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Do you guys really need to debate this at beginning of every season?
    This is a topic where PvE and PvP will never reach an agreement.
    Just one simple question, if gear from God Kefkka can be obtain from weekly tome, how would PvE community react?
    Horrible comparison people keep committing to. PvE content and its rewards will always be there for players to try in the future. And technically gear better than God Kefka will be avaliable by weekly tomes within a few months. So that's not only pretty normal but everyone accepts it. If you want to validate PvP rewards being unique, the way they are right now, you have to try harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu-bq View Post
    Horrible comparison people keep committing to. PvE content and its rewards will always be there for players to try in the future. And technically gear better than God Kefka will be avaliable by weekly tomes within a few months. So that's not only pretty normal but everyone accepts it. If you want to validate PvP rewards being unique, the way they are right now, you have to try harder.
    First of all, I support the idea for exclusive PvP reward and secondly, I just find this is pointless argument at beginning every season.
    PvP side also need to get off their high horse.
    Solo queue Feast is just a training mode for Arena in WoW.
    It is competitive but it is also mostly a time sink with RNG involved, it is not really true skill based.
    We don't have enough people to get party feast going where true skill is.
    Therefore, we need to get more people switch from PvE to PvP.
    All you need to do is politely tell them: "No thanks, PvP exclusive reward should stay exclusive to PvP, but we are welcoming you and help you to participate"
    Help them to join the Feast inside showing our toxicity side.
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    Last edited by Divinemights; 03-10-2018 at 06:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    First of all, I support the idea for exclusive PvP reward and secondly, I just find this is pointless argument at beginning every season.
    PvP side also need to get off their high horse.
    Solo queue Feast is just a training mode for Arena in WoW.
    It is competitive but it is also mostly a time sink with RNG involved, it is not really true skill based.
    We don't have enough people to get party feast going where true skill is.
    Therefore, we need to get more people switch from PvE to PvP.
    All you need to do is politely tell them: "No thanks, PvP exclusive reward should stay exclusive to PvP, but we are welcome you help you participate"
    Help them to join the Feast inside showing our toxicity side.
    Not sure how having rewards they can't get will encourage a meaningful number of people to try the feast, this is the main issue with the current rewards. I don't remember seeing any if these discussions with the last two seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    Not sure how having rewards they can't get will encourage a meaningful number of people to try the feast, this is the main issue with the current rewards. I don't remember seeing any if these discussions with the last two seasons.
    4.0 already lower the skill gap, this is really not a legitimate excuse.
    All there is left is if you are willing to try.
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    Of all the carrots to put on a stick. I had hoped this to me a msq mount eventually, as it'd suit my alt way more than my main. Like hell I'll be spamming feast on an alt when eureka is finally coming out. heres to hoping theres a recolor somewhere down the line :c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Snip.
    I'm pro PvP only rewards as well. I just have a different view over it. Everytime the discussion leans towards asking it to have PvE variants and I've always disagreed with it. My reasoning is that the way the system is right now, it doesn't work. You can go back and read my posts about it. I also don't want rewards for 8v8 either. I agree on 4v4 exclusive rewards because it was a mode meant for competition, but not on the way they work at this given time. With the increase number of players, keeping rewards to 100 per datacenter is not only terrible but a discouragement to the vast majority, preventing the PvP to grow. The system should help the player get into PvP by incentive rewarding them for smaller achievements while they strive to get better and pursue bigger ones later, and not only have big ones.

    We both agee more than disagree to be honest. I just had to debunk the PvE comparison because it's one I always see and it's a bad one. Plus its always used by both sides in a way or another and I hate it. The modes are differents, its rewards and incentives should be different by nature.
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    Last edited by zuzu-bq; 03-10-2018 at 07:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu-bq View Post
    The system should help the player get into PvP by incentive rewarding them for smaller achievements while they strive to get better and pursue bigger ones later, and not only have big ones.
    Rewards for smaller achievements, such as:

    Gloria-class Airship
    Black ADS
    White ADS
    Harambe mount
    Faepup
    Hellpup
    Field Commander set

    The incentives aren't enough to get people to play PvP, because PvP in this game is just so horrible right now.
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    Last edited by Kisama; 03-10-2018 at 07:54 AM.

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    Most of those are not applicable to Feast. And with the increase of game's population why the higher achievements keep locked to a small number of people while smaller achievements stopped following the growth? Specially when the minion ones were only implemented because of generalized complaints. I didn't even agree with those back then. You also forgot to mention the best of the smaller achievement's rewards: tokens for weapon purchase.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisama View Post
    The incentives aren't enough to get people to play PvP, because PvP in this game is just so horrible right now.
    You seem to understand what I mean though, to some degree. I'm thankful for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisama View Post
    Rewards for smaller achievements, such as:

    Gloria-class Airship
    Black ADS
    White ADS
    Harambe mount
    Faepup
    Hellpup
    Field Commander set

    The incentives aren't enough to get people to play PvP, because PvP in this game is just so horrible right now.
    Ugh, the Field Commander Set is locked behind a PvP mode that no one does anymore. People jump in the PvP train to get these and then forget about it, like almost every piece of content. The Garo event kinda helped, since there were SO many sets, titles and rewards tied to it...
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