Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Ryannex]

I love the rewards of The Feast but I have never managed to get any because even in the first week the queues are too long for me. I think you should be able to get past rewards with Frontline achievements.

That's unfortunately incorrect, as during the first few weeks of both of the past seasons, the queues have been almost instant pop, even during downtime. First week is always incredibly active, so I'm not sure where you're finding that information. Near the end, yes, it dies down, but with the season ranking changes as I stated earlier, this is less likely to be an issue this time around.


And if you give them away for Frontlines then what's the point of Feast rankings at all? That's like, as I said earlier, giving away the Final Coil of Bahamut prizes for clearing regular coil, or savage books. It's different content, and it's undermining those who actually put in hours of effort and gameplay to clear it by giving it away to everyone. Sorry, it would completely kill the entirety of the pvp community.

Things, in my opinion, should not be given to everyone. Ultimate Coil titles and weapons don't go to everyone who gets regular coil achievements, savage gear and mounts don't go to those who get normal mode achievements, and top 100 feast rewards don't go to those who do normal feast or frontlines.

Imagine grinding for months to get top 100, stressing over lost points, spending hours practicing and trying to learn as much about your class as you can... only for people to spam Frontlines a couple of times and get the same reward next month.

[Nezerius]

That's unfortunately incorrect, as during the first few weeks of both of the past seasons, the queues have been almost instant pop, even during downtime. First week is always incredibly active, so I'm not sure where you're finding that information. Near the end, yes, it dies down, but with the season ranking changes as I stated earlier, this is less likely to be an issue this time around.

You're on Omega (Chaos, EU Datacenter), while the person you quoted is on Hyperion (Primal, NA datacenter). Different datacenters might have different queue times, or they might not be able to play during NA prime time.

And if you give them away for Frontlines then what's the point of Feast rankings at all? That's like, as I said earlier, giving away the Final Coil of Bahamut prizes for clearing regular coil, or savage books. It's different content, and it's undermining those who actually put in hours of effort and gameplay to clear it by giving it away to everyone. Sorry, it would completely kill the entirety of the pvp community.

Assuming you mean Ultimate Coil, this is a hilariously bad comparison. A few years from now, I'd still be able to clear Ultimate at that level/ilvl, with the only requirement being that I'd have to find 7 likeminded players. That wouldn't be possible with a mount that only sticks around for a few seasons.

Imagine grinding for months to get top 100, stressing over lost points, spending hours practicing and trying to learn as much about your class as you can... only for people to spam Frontlines a couple of times and get the same reward next month.

If some of the late-season complaining is anything to go back, it doesn't look like players are "grinding for months". They're mostly grinding in the very first month, to get a high enough rating to sit on, as there's no rating decay.
And with that, the decision to start the season next tuesday is pretty terrible, since Eureka releases on the same day.

Personally, I think they should put some focus on making a new model that'll fit the PvP theme, make it available from getting x wins during the season, then spice up the model with something cool and have that as the top 100 reward.

[zuzu-bq]

I don't think achievements like frontlines are the solution either. It just lowers the quality of matches and make people only play it for a short spawn of time. Plus, you just described the opposite situation of queue times, they're fast on first few weeks and huge later on.

I also don't agree rewards should go to everyone. Just like Ultimate rewards don't. But I think there should be other ways of getting them, the current system haven't been working well. I've ran for the top 100 once and finished 1 point below the 100th. It's honestly stressing and unfun after a certain point and lot's of players don't have time to commit to that in the spawn of a single season. Meanwhile you can come back to Ultimate anytime.

[OMega_ARcane]

That kinda bums me out I don't want these cool mounts and things to become easier to get even if washed out or pay real money or whatever...I'm glad its the hellpups were an achievement. Not because it was dumbed down and made easier to get, but because around the time it was released I had just discovered you can actually get something for doing good or at least ranking higher in PvP. I went to try my hand at it, but it was to late. The feast was due to be over soon and no one was queing. I was disappointed that I wouldn't get to have a chance to get the minions. However, I later discovered that you could now get them as achievements. It took a little while to get, but I take a bit of pride in having them out "the red one in particular". I get asked by people where to get or how to obtain and I let them know and show the other one too. Its something that not everyone has and can sometimes peak others interest to try PvP. Even if I don't get top 100 I can still aim for the Gloria ship since I'm only 29 wins away from it. This is for the achievement alone. I can't imagine the guys who get the top 100. I was almost cracking my way into the top 100 this past season, but I stopped pushing and took a break, came back and everyone's scores were like 1000+ above me, so I just gave up because the que had already slowed down to 15+ minutes per match, but here's to another chance! Also, I agree with you Ryannex, there definitely are those out there who will be able to recognize the feast rewards, or at least know its a reward from the feast if they do not know what season it's from.

[Ryannex]

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Congratulations on getting the Hellpup minion - and good luck getting your Gloria! Who knows, it's very possible to get top 100 (I thought it was impossible my first 3 seasons), and you may find the perfect class for you!

[Nezerius]

And then we're back to square one, of people wanting the spiced up cool model for the same effort as the other, easier-to-obtain, version. Only way some people will be happy is, unfortunately, to just get rid of rankings. Shrug It reminds me of people complaining about the Hellpup and Faepup minion.

Except we wouldn't be back to square one, because square one is "Only 100 people in a datacenter can obtain it", we'd be going to "Only 100 people in a datacenter can obtain the special version".

Let me compare it to how WoW deals with their arena mounts, since arena is a similarly small scale PvP mode.

In WoW, the top 0.5% rated arena players in each Battlegroup (sorta like Datacenters in XIV) are given a mount (along with a Gladiator title).
During the Burning Crusade, Cataclysm, Mist of Pandaria, and Legion, these were armoured drakes/cloud serpents, while unarmoured drakes/cloud serpents were obtainable through a PvE faction (Burning Crusade), A raid boss at a certain difficulty (Cataclysm), various PvE sources like factions and rare mobs (Mists of Pandaria), and as a possible Paragon reward (Legion). Wrath of the Lich King was similar, but it had the unarmoured version as Arena mount, with the armoured version from the Icecrown Citadel raid meta achievement.

I don't recall a lot of complaining about the arena mounts, as people were happy they were able to obtain mounts with a similar model, from a different activity. Meanwhile, the arena mounts still stood out enough to be recognized.

[Nezerius]

Same situation and issues we face regularly.

I'm guessing you completely missed the edit to my post, since I had to get past the 1000 character limit.

If two mount versions has worked in WoW for the last 10+ years, why wouldn't it work in XIV?

[DracotheDragon]

oh hey a thing i will never see in game, at all.


heres a thought, why not add them to achievement vendor after a few patches, with a recolour. that way pvp can have this exclusive mount for a while, then everyone can enjoy things no-one uses anymore.

and before anyone complains about losing exclusive mounts, Fat Chocobo, gryphon, Coeurl and the mog-hat would like a word hell give the pvp exclusive one a special lighting effect, or make the normal one green or purple a colour the pvp exclusives don't have,

i mean wasn't there meant to be a third coloured hell hound mount and armoured one shown off that was meant for other means to acquire.

[zuzu-bq]

'Normal mount': Blue
'Special Mount': Red

They already do this with Raid gear... Similar with normal mode being undyable and savage being dyable and you don't see much complaints about it. On the opposite note, you see players wanting to try savage out for the dyable versions. You're entirely missing the point of their post.

Even Ultimate weapons are a simply glorified version of weapons easily obtainable otherwise, the real reward being the title.

[Yasmina]

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Oh sorry for not specifying more, but despite playing in an NA datacenter, I'm not from there (there is no server for my "region" where I live), so I would have to play probably after 12:00 at night from my country to be able to enter at the time of "greater" activity, since I am ahead of time for several hours. I like PvP but as I said, it is difficult for me to enter The Feast because of the schedules!.

Maybe it's not necessary directly with frontline achievements, but if there should be other alternatives, season 1 ended on 07/18/2016 if I'm not mistaken, so it would not seem bad to me that the rewards of that season could be obtained, another way. With this margin of almost 2 years. (As they have done with other "rewards", for example those of Fanfest or the latest maid costume, or the Gryphon for preordering Heavensward)

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This seems like a good idea too, I would not mind getting the outfits or mounts with other colors and/or details.