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    Daniel_Fury's Avatar
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    Daniel Fury
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    If you break TBN 15 times in the fight, you have generated enough bloodspiller Gcds to lose a blood spiller generated from 5 soul eater combos. At this point it is definitely a loss.

    A naturally generated bloodspiller from soul eater is a much higher gain. Even if you assume TBN "breaks even" in dps, after 15 TBN you definitely have lost a good chunk of potency and it is definitely marked as a loss.
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    Mycow8me's Avatar
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    Tolby Seyfert
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Fury View Post
    If you break TBN 15 times in the fight, you have generated enough bloodspiller Gcds to lose a blood spiller generated from 5 soul eater combos. At this point it is definitely a loss.

    A naturally generated bloodspiller from soul eater is a much higher gain. Even if you assume TBN "breaks even" in dps, after 15 TBN you definitely have lost a good chunk of potency and it is definitely marked as a loss.
    Yep. Chances are you don't need to go as high as 15 though, thats if you ended a fight at 0 blood which is a low chance. If you end a fight with say 30 blood and use TBN 6 times you've canceled 2 souleaters and lost a natural bloodspiller. Same scenario. If you ended a fight at 40 blood and used TBN 3 times chances are you lost a natural bloodspiller as well.
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycow8me View Post
    Yep. Chances are you don't need to go as high as 15 though, thats if you ended a fight at 0 blood which is a low chance. If you end a fight with say 30 blood and use TBN 6 times you've canceled 2 souleaters and lost a natural bloodspiller. Same scenario. If you ended a fight at 40 blood and used TBN 3 times chances are you lost a natural bloodspiller as well.
    I agree, worst case senario, if you use one TBN, lose one soul eater, and end with 40 blood it is a loss. The 15 TBNs is just the point at which you have definitely lost a bloodspiller.
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    Aana Azel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycow8me View Post
    Yep. Chances are you don't need to go as high as 15 though, thats if you ended a fight at 0 blood which is a low chance. If you end a fight with say 30 blood and use TBN 6 times you've canceled 2 souleaters and lost a natural bloodspiller. Same scenario. If you ended a fight at 40 blood and used TBN 3 times chances are you lost a natural bloodspiller as well.
    What I find incredibly strange about all the math when this comes up is completely ignoring the purpose of using TBN in the 1st place. Oh no! after 15 TBN we lost a smidge of damage! Yet no one (arguing for or against its use) ever mentions that you also Benediction-ed yourself 1.5x through the fight doing that. Considering the utterly miniscule effect that TINY loss of damage (if you lose damage at all depending on all the factors involved) for the massive shielding provided, it mind boggling that this is still a 'debate'.

    TBN is:
    1. Sometimes a slight gain. (I cannot emphasize how small this gain actually is. It will not meaningfully affect a parse in the slightest)
    2. Statistically a slight loss. (I cannot emphasize how small this loss actually is. It will not meaningfully affect a parse in the slightest)
    3. Guranteed massive amounts of shielding if used regularly.

    Points 1 and 2 are virtually nonexistent in the grand scheme of the hundreds of thousands of damage you put out in a fight and utterly meaning less in the MILLIONS of damage your team puts out. Friggin use the damn thing.
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