Got kicked Right before boss.

[F_Maximillian]

All i'm saying is to people who're quick to judge not to be so, I don't really care who was in the wrong or who was in the right, i'm just here for popcorn basically. I do however think it's kind of a waste of time for the OP to come here instead of just putting it down in the tales from the duty finder like you did.

I think giving someone the entirety of a dungeon run to change their ways doesn't exactly qualify as quick to judge..

[Shouko]

I think giving someone the entirety of a dungeon run to change their ways doesn't exactly qualify as quick to judge..

Were you there? No ok then don't be so quick to judge is what i'm saying. The people that were there can judge all they like but without evidence as I claimed already, there's no way to prove that what the OP or the other said. As I also said i'm more here for popcorn than anything.

[KDSilver]

I would recommand you OP, in the futur, to take a small time to at least read the new skill you get, and maybe do some research if you don't understand something.
It will avoid another situation like this.

There's nothing wrong about being new and learning, everyone were once. But that's the step you have to go through to at least master the basics.

[F_Maximillian]

Were you there? No ok then don't be so quick to judge is what i'm saying. The people that were there can judge all they like but without evidence as I claimed already, there's no way to prove that what the OP or the other said. As I also said i'm more here for popcorn than anything.

We can make assumptions just based on what the op himself and others who were actually in the party said. Either way I'm not judging. OP was misinformed but was given the proper information that he will hopefully put into practice in the future. The only judgment here are people calling out a justified kick IMO.

[KerriganV]

He would still be a sprout though no?

I can at least answer this question for you with 100 percent certainty as I recently ran through the MSQ on an alt to see the changes that were made. The Sprouts do not loose their icons/status until they hit the first quest of Stormblood now, so it is entirely possible to see them in the higher level content that is in the game prior UNLESS they remove the sprout themselves via the /nastatus off command.

[Awful]

But you could get lvl 50 within 2 weeks of doing quests only with double bonus exp "road to 60" and sanctuary bonus (not sure do they stack).
Seriously, you expect these players to learn anything in that time? xD

I mean it was stated he wasn't a returning player nor a sprout so I'd assume that a lvl 51 tank would know how to use Flash/Halone combo with Circle of Scorn for threat it's the basics of tanking if they're struggling and being ridiculed in a 50 dungeon it's only gonna get worse from here on out so at least they're taking the advice. About players learning within those 2 weeks I mean we all have different standards but holding threat and learning how to mitigate as a baby tank is your first priority if you can't do that within the first 2 weeks and Hall of the Novice didn't work I dunno what to tell you.

Did the op said he didnt use flash, or the opposite side said he had a problem with keeping the aggro?
No? So he did well enough for 2-3 weeks player.

Its a dungeon with 90 minute mark, if you feel a tank not spamming aoe all the time makes it impossible to run, then there is something wrong with you as a dps, because your dps probably socks also if you progress so slowly.
I doubt his party was any good as well, but it was easy for them to call him, instead of looking at themselves.
As a tank myself i could easly tell which party i am playing with has a good dps or not, that factor makes up 80% of the party damage most of the time if the dps are at least decent, i could chill out and focus on keeping alive myself with big pull instead of doing most of the dmg. Things just evaporate so quick if the dps know what they are doing. If they struggle to run the dungeon i guess they were not good either, yet they fast to blame a PLD in tank stance for his poor dps, PATHETIC.
Especially if you realize that PLD in dungeon on average is second lowest dps dealing class with giant gap comparing to dps (2-3 times higher), if that makes it so bad to run someone is complaining how long it takes, i have bad message for them.

Why are you bringing DPS into this equation? This has nothing to do about damage or FFlogs it's about the basics of being a tank the whole thing is about this tank not being able to tank because he's spamming Shield Lob and letting threat run around what do you not understand? I don't care about damage as it wasn't the issue here you're missing the whole point in this thread if you think that it was DPS it was the tank unable to do their role, it's the fundamentals of being in a group and expecting everyone to do their role.

Edit: Kaldea already beat me to the punch with the quotes but yeah he didn't use Flash either just Circle of Scorn and Shield Lob, not to mention Kaldea said the DPS was great despite the Sch having to heal 4 targets with the tank not tanking anything so your DPS point is moot.

[Gugnir]

Waiting to the end to kick is super passive aggressive. Tank sounded new but that's not really an excuse cause I've met plenty of sprouts who became really good players. So if the tank wasn't listening the right thing to do would be to warn of a kick cause he was "trolling or w/e and affecting your gaming experience. " So the three offenders should've removed him sooner instead of playing that card at the end, and even though it's not their responsibility to teach him how to play or he was being that standoffish yet even so just ignoring them completely, it is still bad dungeon etiquette. Either way, think every one in this scenario is just wrong.

[LeoLupinos]

You're so fragile. Was all of this really necessary? Just move on and learn the BASICS, and the most importand, learn to comunicate with your group.

If I was you, I would have talked to them, learned and NOT being kicked.

If I was them, I would have done the same. I would NEVER accept that I finished a dungeon with someone incredible Deaf and blind to what I was NICELY trying to teach just to be ignored.

Seriously, get good with all the tips you got here and you will never going to be kicked again, and stop wasting GM's time with such unecessary report.

[Elixirboy]

If you have no idea whatsoever how to play your job by the time you're level 51, it's not going to happen. Maybe it's better to stick with single player games.

[Zhamkyong]

I have been reading the whole thread since the begining, I also read the two sides of the story involved about the kick in the last boss and the uncommunicative tank. If both sides are telling the truth then it's not so difficult to assess what went wrong in the first place:

-The tank reached level 51 without knowing the basis of his class, not even the basic rotation and even knowing the half of his skills. At level 51. I dont know how he got that far by himself in the first place, no matter how many people claim to defend him from the kick: If you are playing a job you need at least to learn the basics and he had plenty of time until he reached that level to take 5 min and read his own abilities for a start. He is new and i understand that, everyone makes mistakes, hence my next point.
-I understand someone tried to point out his faults, then the SCH proceeded to harass him. The harassment needs a report, there is no doubt about that. Now, i have read how the other party member tried to talk to him, how he felt "harassed" by this person and proceeded to ignore him/her the whole run. ¿Do you guys know how frustrating is trying to help someone while being ignored the entire time while the whole party just awaits patiently for an answer and deals with the mistakes of said member? I am a Mentor, i try to help everyone if i can give a tip or two, i even ask for a pause to use a translator if i need to if i see the whole run is going to be hell because of one member. I have seen how so many posters tried to help him here while he asked them to get out because they where "harassing him". If he felt that way because of honest words, then is his fault.
-The kick before the boss is indeed a bad timing.
-Despite his rude and defensive behaviour towards some forum members he seems willing to learn. That's a good start, i will give him that.

While i understand he felt attacked in some way, one must learn to shut up their own ego and listen to advice if someone is willing to give it. Remember that we are typing, not talking. A 'rude' message for some can be a nice person on the other side just saying a truth in a neutral way or just trying to be nice.

Now, OP, I wish you luck, do not hesitate to use the forum if you need answers.