Idea: Class split idea for all jobs

[Wintersandman]

I'm not downing fellow players, but asking for something they obviously have no desire to do is like beating your head against a brick wall.

If you're not shutting down other players then why even chime in? "Because Devs said it won't happen". Let them bang their head against the wall. I am still beating my 3.0 PvP skillset is better even though I know it will never revert but at least change will happen if I continue beating my drum. It may not be exactly what I wanted but beating the drum leads to a path for improvement. It could be as simple as "Have Archer to 30" as a prerequisite to unlock Ranger. It is not a dual split but in a lore sense it is branching off of the Archer tree.

The opposite of not shutting someone down is coming up with a way for the devs to do it that is technically feasible and lore relevant.

[Shouko]

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You might think of it that way, but in reality we're just trying to tell you the devs have no desire to do so. Certain things get implemented or changed but in reality this is something they're not going to go back on. To further the point even more, look at cross skills, they got killed.

MCH, AST, DRK, RDM, SAM are proof enough that the devs have started going the opposite way of branching, they don't want to deal with the whole class/job association anymore.

Now if you want something "constructive" instead of "shutting down" then bring back cross skills, but be of course if we did that people would only go back to wanting you to level said job in order to get said skills and not everyone should be forced into that. oops guess my positive turned into a negative again, so much for that idea.

[Wintersandman]

MCH, AST, DRK, RDM, SAM are proof enough that the devs have started going the opposite way of branching, they don't want to deal with the whole class/job association anymore.

What is a branch? Does it have to be lore? Does it have to have the same base skills? Or does it build upon the foundation the other one set? SMN and SCH were broken IMO for more reasons than the so called balance. To me leveling just the Class leveled both jobs was broken but I can see why they had to do it. Another reason why I could see them not wanting to do a branching job similar to SCH/SMN is you do the quest and you're immediately X level of the class. Which is why they can do it via lore. You level Archer to 30 and you get to unlock the quest. It is the equivalent of doing MCH/AST but is a continuation of the Archer lore without the repurcussions of class balance.

[Reynhart]

Another reason why I could see them not wanting to do a branching job similar to SCH/SMN is you do the quest and you're immediately X level of the class.

Would it be very different than starting DRK immediately at 30 or RDM at level 50 ?

I'd rather start each future new classes at level 1 while gaining branching jobs directly at the previous level cap than starting all future jobs at fairly high level.

[Wintersandman]

Would it be very different than starting DRK immediately at 30 or RDM at level 50 ?

The difference is. Lets say SMN wasn't released yet. I level SCH to level cap of 70 and then SMN gets released. With the current design my summoner is now 70 out the gate with no additional effort. So if they did a SMN/SCH like branch then you would instantly be the level of the base class. Lets say Dancer gets fist weapons and is based off of pugilist. My Monk is 70 and so therefore my Pugilist is 70 and thus my Dancer would be 70.

[Reynhart]

The difference is. Lets say SMN wasn't released yet. I level SCH to level cap of 70 and then SMN gets released. With the current design my summoner is now 70 out the gate with no additional effort.

The thing is, there's little chance a new job would be release while an expansion is running. So, basically, if your SCH is lvl50 at the end of ARR and SMN is released for HW, you'd still have to level it to 60, do all the job quests to unlock the job skills and farm gear to be able to do content in your brand new DPS.

Frankly, leveling does not require that much effort in the first place, and doesn't matter that much to make you viable in content. On the opposite, if you gear up your PLD with raid gear, and you level a brand new tank, it will be instantly bumped to endgame tier gear with no additionnal effort.

[Wintersandman]

The thing is, there's little chance a new job would be release while an expansion is running.

Ninja is calling. Also what would be the point in starting off at 1 every single time? I was bummed that SAM and RDM were released at 50 but I can't say that I would ever want to start off at 1. There is nothing more boring then spamming 1 ability for awhile.

It doesn't work well in this where your job is restricted to what weapon style you have.

This is where Job Crystals can come in.

[Shouko]

What is a branch? Does it have to be lore? Does it have to have the same base skills? Or does it build upon the foundation the other one set? SMN and SCH were broken IMO for more reasons than the so called balance. To me leveling just the Class leveled both jobs was broken but I can see why they had to do it. Another reason why I could see them not wanting to do a branching job similar to SCH/SMN is you do the quest and you're immediately X level of the class. Which is why they can do it via lore. You level Archer to 30 and you get to unlock the quest. It is the equivalent of doing MCH/AST but is a continuation of the Archer lore without the repurcussions of class balance.

While I see you're point and think it would work in almost any game, it doesn't work well in this where your job is restricted to what weapon style you have. So if we were to take your idea they would still have to either change it so that this or that job has the ability to use said weapon or use another weapon of the same type and limit to the new job only, the problem with this is that if you take SCH books, they tend to be really confusing on which belongs to which. Then of course which do you bring the BRD or the RNG, the DNC or the MNK, etc. Again this worked for XI because it was an entirely different style game that was way deeper. However the thing that would work would be cross skills again but they don't seem to want to do this.