Got kicked Right before boss.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Firstly let me confirm to everyone here. Yes my story and this post are the same incident. Regrettably I logged out so I no longer have the chat logs, but what I posted in that thread in quotes was what was said by myself and the OP, and one instance of what the DRG had said. There was other stuff (and yes I reported both the DRG and SCH, because the DRG was not polite, and the SCH had some really offensive macros about how drinking bleach was better than playing with this tank). I FULLY welcome the OP to produce logs if he has them, as they'll only corroborate my story.

I read that story on the other thread. I find it funny that the person said that they wanted to coach him but they got black listed. I mean, you kicked the guy right before the final boss and made that entire run for him a waste. What did you think was going to happen? I mean, if you REALLY wanted to coach this guy, why would you do this to him first? Doesn't make any sense to me.

It's not fair to the other 2 people in there to spend the hour or so required to teach someone what they needed, especially considering how unwilling they were to accepting even the most basic of advice. That is why I vote dismissed them. (for the record it actually wasn't me that did it, but either the DRG or SCH, but I was just about too anyway so it's a moot point).

The reason I waited until the end was because I wanted to give them a chance to improve. They did not. Nothing about their approach or skill usage changed. I did not want to reinforce that behavior (i.e. do whatever you want to get success with no respect for other people) so I felt it necessary to attempt to teach a lesson here.

I fully understand that the community will vilify me for this, but I hope that some people can see where I am coming from. If he wasn't punished (i.e. kicked) his behavior wouldn't change (see the fact that he likely made it to level 51 this way). I mean this thread is direct evidence that maybe some good will come out of this. He had to suffer, but this will hopefully be a turning point into placing effort into understanding the game and his role in it and to ask for help from time to time if things don't make sense.

Sometimes the truth hurts and for that I am sorry, but his play was a direct burden on others and it needed to be remedied.

I need a good laugh hope screen shots were taken.

Unfortunately I do not have any. I do genuinely hope the OP has them though as I am 100% confident they will corroborate my story.

OMG because that is the same person who was in the same group and was being extremely rude and toxic towards me.

I'm not entirely sure anything I said qualified as "toxic" or "rude". Would you mind pointing to which specific statements I said that you believed were rude/toxic?

If you're actually interested in being a good PLD, I stand by what I said in the other thread. I would love to actually help you improve. I am a PLD main currently progressing God Kefka so I have some actual insight and pedigree to help you get better. You have to want it though.

I think what's happening here is pretty clear.

OP is new and has no clue how to play his job properly, refused to get advice and came to complain on the forums because he felt the need to. Which only shows his complete misunderstanding of the game.

@OP I strongly suggest you take time to read your skills tooltips, watch some guides about your job, because it seems you're absolutly not doing it right.

This.

First of all i literally just said this was my 1st character, also i'm trying to get better i've done research also you can't expect someone to be a pro first time like i've said i'm getting better, also i never refused advice,

I'm not expecting you to be a pro. Don't be silly. I expected you to understand the basic tenets of tank responsibilities and to have read your tooltips. You very clearly demonstrated you did neither. I even gave you the chance to put the advice given to you into practice, and you ignored it entirely.

Were they in the wrong for kicking you right before the last boss? I think so. Obviously they "dealt" with you through the whole dungeon up to that point and had only a couple of minutes left to either beat the final boss or wipe (and then vote kick you) so kicking you there seems petty, to me. As to the comment by the person who vote kicked you about trying to add you as a friend, I frankly would have blacklisted them as well. I've no desires to be friends with someone who does something like that.

Why was I wrong? Think about it from my POV.

If I let the OP get credit for completing it his brain tells him he is correct in his course of action. That's not only bad for him as he's likely going to get an incredibly rude awakening sooner or later, much worse than he did here, but he's going to continue to negatively impact dozens of players.

By punishing him (kicking), he was prompted to address his issues and seek outside input. This post is proof enough that it was the right decision.

By your own admission, you ignored your group's suggestion and judging by what was said in the other thread, they gave you a lot of the information youre getting here.

No one is expecting perfection from a new player. We are expecting a basic knowledge of how to tank a dungeon by level 50 however.

This.

I asked that because I could not believe that no one ever said anything from level 28 to 50 dungeon running and that this was the first time someone ever tried to express that there was an issue.

What was your response to when they told you that Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone would be better?

I can answer that for you. He said absolutely nothing in response. Ignored it and said nothing and then continued to spam shield lob, and by the end of the dungeon, I made the decision to remove him.

Kicking right before the last boss is pretty spiteful. I mean, I couldn't have been that bad if they got all the way to that point in the run.

That's because dungeons are so trivial that you don't even need 4 people or a healer or a tank. You call it spiteful, I call it a hard lesson learned.

Had I not kicked them they would continue going into other parties doing this and making numerous other players miserable, not to mention the inevitability of someone ACTUALLY taking serious offense to it and saying some downright hurtful stuff. Nothing I said qualifies there.

The only thing I don't like about this is the kick right before a boss. If you got a problem gameplay-wise with a player in which you know you're going to kick, do it asap. Don't wait right before the last boss. It just makes it look like you're enacting vengeance and it pretty much sinks yourself to the other person's level.

Had I kicked them immediately they'd never have had a chance to ask more questions or improve or understand what went wrong. That'd be even more unfair to them. I waited until the last possible moment. All advice was ignored and I felt it wiser to teach the OP a lesson about party dynamics rather than give them their participation trophy. I mentioned above I know the community will vilify me for this, but this post is proof that it was the right decision.

Maybe they were trying their best to help the tank out. Based on how we have a very similar sounding tank in the Duty Finder Tales thread, he was getting advice and ignoring it. It's reasonable to think the members were trying to help OP learn their job, but his refusal caused them to, by the end, get tired of it.

I mean, I get yelled at for not trying to help and just quickly vote kicking, so... I dunno.

This.

[Musashidon]

Firstly let me confirm to everyone here.

beating the dungeon is what matters it's a game.

you are in the wrong for kicking even though you made it through the dungeon just fine.

[Penthea]

beating the dungeon is what matters it's a game.

you are in the wrong for kicking even though you made it through the dungeon just fine.

If the tank played the way she claims, you are so incredibly wrong. He is obviously woefully unaware as to how poorly he plays his class. Sooner or later he must face this. Soon better than later, or else he is going to hit a wall and be unable to progress with the msq as a tank.

Also it's no one's job to nurture someone else's bad habits.

[Musashidon]

If the tank played the way she claims, you are so incredibly wrong. He is obviously woefully unaware as to how poorly he plays his class. Sooner or later he must face this. Soon better than later, or else he is going to hit a wall and be unable to progress with the msq as a tank.

Also it's no one's job to nurture someone else's bad habits.

if he was so bad they would have never made it through the dungeon. literally they were complaining he wasn't doing enough dps for them.

second if he get stucks msq how is that a issue now he isn't mudding up your dungeons you are so sacred about.

win win to me.

And it wasn't rude to let the role of tanking be shared across the group and completely ignore any attempts to remedy this?

neither story said he wasn't tanking just that he wasn't doing a proper rotation and losing dps over it making the run longer.

he used flash to hold agro and used shield lob for dps cause he thought it was better than RoH combo.

[Penthea]

if he was so bad they would have never made it through the dungeon. literally they were complaining he wasn't doing enough dps for them.

You'd be surprised how far you can go with an awful tank, if the rest of the group is good enough. But just because it's possible doesn't make it okay or fun. As I said already it's no one's job to nurture someone else's bad habits.

[Ayer2015]

You'd be surprised how far you can go with an awful tank, if the rest of the group is good enough. But just because it's possible doesn't make it okay or fun. As I said already it's no one's job to nurture someone else's bad habits.

The off putting part is when they kicked him, not that they did.

[Penthea]

The off putting part is when they kicked him, not that they did.

Yea the timing wasn't great but it wouldn't have happened if the tank bothered to read what his other abilities did or listened to what the party said so....yea

[xMysticx]

beating the dungeon is what matters it's a game.

you are in the wrong for kicking even though you made it through the dungeon just fine.

Exactly, i would of been less frustrated if they would of just kick early mid dungeon, but instead you waste 25 minutes of my personal time just to fool me, that is a extremely rude move on your end, if your gonna kick somebody do it stop wasting other peoples time, it's not rocket science.

[Penthea]

Exactly, i would of been less frustrated if they would of just kick early mid dungeon, but instead you waste 25 minutes of my personal time just to fool me, that is a extremely rude move on your end.

And it wasn't rude to let the role of tanking be shared across the group and completely ignore any attempts to remedy this?