The general player base needs to improve

[Gallus]

And then we'll be back to Amdapor Keep 2.0 where half DF parties couldn't make it past demon wall. Or even worse, Pharos Sirius, where people wouldn't even bother to queue up because the first boss overwhelmed most DF parties with an army of explosive hellhounds.
What are these "acceptable standards" you are talking about? Where do you exactly draw the line?

Completely offtopic, but I just came back a few days ago from taking a break. Completed the Sigma NM quest and proceeded to start doing the NM turns. I even watched some videos. On Sigma V4, on the very start, one of the healers says "if I find another troll I'm afk". I was like wtf? This was my very first time, I even watched a video but I didn't know if I was going to do everything perfectly? That comment at the start made me feel so uncomfortable with the run and I ended up dying a couple times. And then I come across threads like this and they infuriate me to no end.

The TC came across a group that couldn't clear Garuda EX. What the hell does he even know about that group? Perhaps new players? Perhaps someone that had a bad day? There could even be a person with some sort of physical deficiency or anxiety issues.

You guys can keep your "acceptable standards" to yourselves.

[Ayer2015]

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Sadly our community has devolve substantially as the game has become more popular.

[Sesera]

Completely offtopic, but I just came back a few days ago from taking a break. Completed the Sigma NM quest and proceeded to start doing the NM turns. I even watched some videos. On Sigma V4, on the very start, one of the healers says "if I find another troll I'm afk". I was like wtf? This was my very first time, I even watched a video but I didn't know if I was going to do everything perfectly? That comment at the start made me feel so uncomfortable with the run and I ended up dying a couple times

Learn the difference between a troll (someone who comes only to waste other players time) and a new player please.

[Gallus]

Learn the difference between a troll (someone who comes only to waste other players time) and a new player please.

Your so called "good guys" that only "offer friendly advice" and think that it's the rest of the community that "refuses to learn" are very often people that should be more concerned about solving their own anger issues rather than trying to change the rest of the players so that they meet their own "acceptable standards". I have no idea who the TC is, but I'm very familiar with this sort of player profile that claims to have just given advice when on reality ingame they are nothing but angry bullies ready to rage at the very first mistake your party makes.

[KaivaC]

Your so called "good guys" that only "offer friendly advice" and think that it's the rest of the community that "refuses to learn" are very often people that should be more concerned about solving their own anger issues rather than trying to change the rest of the players so that they meet their own "acceptable standards". I have no idea who the TC is, but I'm very familiar with this sort of player profile that claims to have just given advice when on reality ingame they are nothing but angry bullies ready to rage at the very first mistake your party makes.

I assure you, you are not familiar with me at all, especially with that blanket statement. I have never raged at any of my parties, thank you very much. I am the sort of individual who will queue up in mentor roulette, as I said in my original post, and I will stay and help. No matter how many wipes we get, I will not rage at folks. But please, go on about how I fit this profile of yours. Do compare that to the times I have genuinely offered help to other players, even brought a couple of them through some of the harder content - and not once did I rage.

[Tridus]

Your so called "good guys" that only "offer friendly advice" and think that it's the rest of the community that "refuses to learn" are very often people that should be more concerned about solving their own anger issues rather than trying to change the rest of the players so that they meet their own "acceptable standards". I have no idea who the TC is, but I'm very familiar with this sort of player profile that claims to have just given advice when on reality ingame they are nothing but angry bullies ready to rage at the very first mistake your party makes.

There's certainly people who act like jerks when it comes to offering advice.

But at the same time, when I do levelling, I get lots of newbie tanks who hit Brayflox & Qarn, are losing aggro frequently, and aren't using tank stance. Usually, that means they just got it and don't really understand what it does, or they forgot to turn it on. I feel like saying something is what an experienced player should do, because they may simply not understand why they're struggling and that the button they just recently got would help fix it (and that it turns off when you zone into the duty finder, usually).

Usually, that type of advice is met with a positive reaction. But it's all in the delivery. "Acceptable standard" there just means I want to clear the dungeon, and I want them to clear it too.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And then we'll be back to Amdapor Keep 2.0 where half DF parties couldn't make it past demon wall. Or even worse, Pharos Sirius, where people wouldn't even bother to queue up because the first boss overwhelmed most DF parties with an army of explosive hellhounds.
What are these "acceptable standards" you are talking about? Where do you exactly draw the line? .

Significant problem with both those dungeons is there was a faster alternative. A proper curve funnels everyone through the same route. Weeping City worked wonderfully in this regard because you either pushed yourself or you weren't upgrading your tomestone gear/obtaining a i230 drop. Had Stormblood began with dungeons of that caliber for Expert, you either do them or accept a less efficient way to cap for the week. You'll be amazed at how quickly people motivate themselves when reasonably pushed. We need to emphasise reasonably here because, no, dungeons shouldn't be some insurmountable activity on par with EX Primals. But I think Expert dungeons should require more than a pulse.

Your so called "good guys" that only "offer friendly advice" and think that it's the rest of the community that "refuses to learn" are very often people that should be more concerned about solving their own anger issues rather than trying to change the rest of the players so that they meet their own "acceptable standards". I have no idea who the TC is, but I'm very familiar with this sort of player profile that claims to have just given advice when on reality ingame they are nothing but angry bullies ready to rage at the very first mistake your party makes.

You realize the inherent hypocrisy here, yes? By casting a wide, generalizing net, you look just as toxic as the players you're accusing. When people cite those "refusing to learn," they mean dungeon runs where DPS will not AoE no matter how often they are asked; any job who has not even the basic idea how their job works despite being at max level. In plenty of cases, it's these people who get the most irate despite causing the problem. Or am I an "angry bully" for expecting you to press your AoE abilities when I pull ten mobs and you're wearing better gear than I am?

[Gallus]

Can hardly call it baseless, but whatever, didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, when your opinion differs from the other one/s accusing them of being something you are against shouldn't be all that terrible. Maybe I could've been a bit more civilized with the "angry bullies" part, just replace those words for "temperamental folks" so that we don't have to go on an endless discussion about how disrespectful and terribly mean I've been by saying what I said, but just like I'm ignoring all the posts insulting, mocking or calling me toxic, TC can do exactly the same if he/she knows I'm wrong about him/her (in fact, I think himself/herself has done a much better work at that than the rest of the people). I don't think what I said was as terrible as you are making it out to be anyway.

You'll be amazed at how quickly people motivate themselves when reasonably pushed.

Gordias and A3S are a good example. People were surely very motivated with those turns and their tight DPS checks. They were so motivated that more than half the playerbase quitted the game. The term "reasonably" is ambiguous.

You realize the inherent hypocrisy here, yes? By casting a wide, generalizing net, you look just as toxic as the players you're accusing. When people cite those "refusing to learn," they mean dungeon runs where DPS will not AoE no matter how often they are asked; any job who has not even the basic idea how their job works despite being at max level. In plenty of cases, it's these people who get the most irate despite causing the problem. Or am I an "angry bully" for expecting you to press your AoE abilities when I pull ten mobs and you're wearing better gear than I am?

So what if they don't want to AOE, what are you going to do about it? Ask SE to make people use AOE actions on your dungeon runs? There's a limit to what SE can do. You guys think it's SE who is spoiling people by making things too easy. I don't agree with that. I think what we have now is what most people legit want, and I think you are in the minority here. Hunts are a good example of this. They are extremely easy content with high reward. At times, they are so crowded my screen can't even load the amount of people that are gathered next to them.

[HyoMinPark]

Can hardly call it baseless, but whatever, didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, when your opinion differs from the other one/s accusing them of being something you are against shouldn't be all that terrible. Maybe I could've been a bit more civilized with the "angry bullies" part, just replace those words for "temperamental folks" so that we don't have to go on an endless discussion about how disrespectful and terribly mean I've been by saying what I said, but just like I'm ignoring all the posts insulting, mocking or calling me toxic, TC can do exactly the same if he/she knows I'm wrong about him/her (in fact, I think himself/herself has done a much better work at that than the rest of the people).

It’s baseless when you make them about someone whom you don’t even know. Or have never interacted with. You don’t know anything about them to even give the slightest insinuation that they’re actually a jerk; so just assuming they’re a jerk because, what? A thread they made that you don’t seem to agree with? That’s baseless. Kaiva has been civil in their thread; there has been no name-calling on their end. Where as, your behavior has been fairly uncalled for with quite a fair bit of name-calling, so people have reason to tell you as such.

And maybe Kaiva is better at ignoring people being rude towards them, but I’ve never had very high tolerance for people that just assume things.

So what if they don't want to AOE, what are you going to do about it?

If you repeatedly ask DPS to AOE during large pulls, and they still refuse to do so, then I will gladly click “yes” for any vote kick. Because they aren’t pulling their weight, but expecting everyone else to do more damage to make up for them not wanting to hit their AOE skill.

Would you be okay with a tank that didn’t want to hold a boss? What about a healer that doesn’t want to heal? Or a tank or healer that only does half of their job? A DPS refusing to AOE a large pull is doing half the damage (less, actually) that they can actually do, thereby doing half of their job....which is to deal as much damage as possible. I don’t understand this double standard of tanks/healers must do 100%, but if the SAM doesn’t want to AOE or the NIN feels like doing 50%, that’s a-okay.