Scholar vs Astrologian Mitigation

[Camz]

I kept hearing people say that astrologian nocturnal sec is better than a scholars galvanize because it was instant, more potent and costed less. Is this true? Why should an astrologians ability to mitigate damage ever be stronger than a scholar? That is what makes a scholar unique their sole purpose and playstyle is mitigation. If this is true I am really discouraged to keep playing scholar if another job is besting what I am supposed to be known for. Leave inputs and advices please

[Mimilu]

Checks and balances.
ASTs may cost less but, out of the three healers, AST has potentially the worst MP recovery.
ASTs can normally shield for more (x1.3 the amount healed) but SCH shields more when it Crits (x2 the amount healed, which is already about x2 the normal amount healed).
SCH's can also spread their Single-Target Shield with Deployment Tactics, AST can't.
AST's Aspected Benefic spell is oGCD but it also has the least amount of oGCD Healing abilities.
SCH's also do more damage and have a fairy to help with their heals.

[FalalaMaru]

The short answer, a sch does not lose to astro in terms of mitigation.
And on another note the unique sole purpose of a sch isn't mitigation, it's their combination of pet + ogcd heal abilities which allows them (and their co-healer) to continue throwing out broils/stones/malefic in the heat of raid wide aoe.

[Risvertasashi]

costed less.

Just to address this in particular, the cost was raised significantly with Stormblood. For reference, if it had remained the same, it would cost around 600mp at level 70. Obviously this isn't the case now. But it still has its advantages, and it's still cheaper than adlo.

AST has potentially the worst MP recovery.

This being said, pretty much all ASTs I see having trouble with MP don't extend Lucid Dreaming. It's a bit like a SCH that doesn't use/take Lucid Dreaming. On the flipside, with the cost of AB rising, shields can't really be spammed as freely and constantly as late HW AST.

[Ametrine]

Ewer also exists, but since holding the card results in a DPS loss elsewhere, it's rarely considered for it's MP regen utility.

[Mimilu]

This being said, pretty much all ASTs I see having trouble with MP don't extend Lucid Dreaming.

True. I'm guilty of this as well. >w>
Even worse, they both have the same cooldown time, 120 seconds.
I usually just forget to do it or I'm holding out for an AoE card.

[Eloah]

The easiest answer is SCH overall has better mitigation, AST's mitigation is only better when viewed on the surface. The main reason the shields on an AST feel so OP compared to SCH is because they needed an adjustment to compete with SCH since Diurnal AST ruled throughout HW; you'd never see a Noct AST outside of a full party setup.

the unique sole purpose of a sch isn't mitigation, it's their combination of pet + ogcd heal abilities

Also I don't know what to think of this. It's not inaccurate but it's not accurate either.

[HyoMinPark]

I kept hearing people say that astrologian nocturnal sec is better than a scholars galvanize because it was instant, more potent and costed less. Is this true? Why should an astrologians ability to mitigate damage ever be stronger than a scholar? That is what makes a scholar unique their sole purpose and playstyle is mitigation. If this is true I am really discouraged to keep playing scholar if another job is besting what I am supposed to be known for. Leave inputs and advices please

With regards to AOE shielding, AST typically comes out ahead with their Noctural Sect A.Helios versus a SCH’s AOE Succor. However, SCH comes out ahead in individual shields (Adlo), especially if they crit on a target. Deploying said Critlo is automatically better than an AST’s Aspected Benefic or Aspected Helios.

SCH also pulls ahead in terms of MP management, what with Lucid Dreaming every 2 minutes, Aetherflow every minute, and Energy Drain to use up any unused stacks between Aetherflows. AST’s MP management is the weakest of all three healers, so it’s not efficient for them to spam single-target shields on party members, where as a SCH has better and more skills to manage their MP, so they do not suffer as much. SCH also has a fairy for additional healing/support, and their personal DPS is stronger than an AST’s. It all balances out, I feel. Personally, the healers are the only 3 jobs in this game that are adequately balanced within their role (maybe physical ranged DPS as well, since BRD/MCH seem relatively balanced compared to one another).

AST's Aspected Benefic spell is oGCD but it also has the least amount of oGCD Healing abilities.

Aspected Benefic is a GCD skill; it’s on the global cooldown, just insta-cast.
AST only has Essential Dignity and Lady of Crowns (RNG-gated) for oGCD heals. Well, and Earthly Star, though there is a lag between when you manually detonate it, and when it actually goes off. But WHM and SCH both have more options for oGCD heals (Assize, Tetra, Bene; Lustrate—3 per Aetherflow ideally—, Indom).

[Maltothoris]

However, SCH comes out ahead in individual shields (Adlo), especially if they crit on a target. Deploying said Critlo is automatically better than an AST’s Aspected Benefic or Aspected Helios.

Actually Noct Astro aspected benefic's total potency is 805 compared to normal adlo's 600 puts it again but again like you said, its that flexibility that an scholar can deploy the adlo it was puts it ahead and the crit, you can cheese mechanics and generate lb.

Ultimately, it's that the noct astro's overall average shields are better than the sch but its strength to make up for the lack of variety compared to the sch. The Sch has aldo, succor, deploy tactics, emergency tactics(arguable in usefulness) sacred soil, indom, excog, and take into account eos' abilities with whispering dawn, rouse, fey covenant and fey illumination plus the fairy itself. Compared to say Noct Astro's aspected benefic, aspected Helios, collective unconscious, earthly star and Bole.

[KDSilver]

This being said, pretty much all ASTs I see having trouble with MP don't extend Lucid Dreaming. It's a bit like a SCH that doesn't use/take Lucid Dreaming. On the flipside, with the cost of AB rising, shields can't really be spammed as freely and constantly as late HW AST.

This, and not using lightspeed either.
Especially when you have to cast a lot of aoe.