Scholar vs Astrologian Mitigation

[Estelle9lives]

Why did I think Succor also got a crit bonus lol, my mistake.

AST OGCD are just plain better...

I'd say you could have a point, but on fights like O8S I think the weakness in AST's shield kit really shows. In there everything hits stupidly hard and the said "once every two minutes" fairy cooldowns works wonder against massive near-50k unmitigated raid busters, or 30k raidwide spam.

Earthly is better than Indom if you look at the potency and the fact most fights have a huge interval between hard hitting raidwide AOEs, but i has double the cooldown and MUST be set up at least 10s in advance, whereas Indom can be used after every skull set and twice during every Forsaken save for the 2nd. Critlo deploy eliminates almost all healing needed before the 2nd set of skulls on Forsaken 1 saving both of your healers GCDs and relieving a lot of pressure, while also making Forsaken 3 much easier.

So while you're not completely wrong, I'd say when an encounter demands it, which healer has the better kit is very noticeable. The same was true in UCOB with Golden Bahamut and quick spamming massive raid wides, it was much easier to sync and execute that fight with a SCH.

[Vyriah]

Indo does cost an eatherflow stack.
And it's not nothing, eatherflow management is ultimately harder than just using a spell 20 seconds before it happens. And indo won't ever be enough by itself.

I'd say you could have a point, but on fights like O8S I think the weakness in AST's shield kit really shows. In there everything hits stupidly hard and the said "once every two minutes" fairy cooldowns works wonder against massive near-50k unmitigated raid busters, or 30k raidwide spam.

Yeah, that was specifically answering to "use every Eos spells on top of each other and you get something like collective unconcious".

Indo is great to complete healing when you don't have time, and that's exactly what makes SCH so good. It's weaker, but who care, the two other healer are powerhouses, it's exactly what you need. You hit indo before the raid damage for everyone to survive, but then you can just keep doing DPS because once shit is over earthly star is gonna blow up and everyone will be healed anyway.

You don't use them for the same reason, but earthly star really bring a lot to the table everytime it explode. It's not just potency, it's potency you don't have to spend in GCD. And that's pretty much what AST is about.

[Squintina]

I try not to think of one as being better than the other, because they're quite different (as has been covered). Sch is more of a ogcd healer than a mitigator these days.

As far as why someone would want to play a job that requires using so many more skills to do the same thing that another job does with one skill but less often. For fun of course. I enjoy scholar because all of those ogcds mean a lot of weaving for some very active gameplay, especially while trying to pump out massive heals and good damage at the same time. Scholar is an extremely active role, at least for me.

So even if AST was stronger in theory, I'd still want to pick scholar.

That being said, in the end player skill has more to do with job strength. I don't know many ASTs but so far the ones I've met don't really pump out impressive heals, shields, or damage - or they are pumping out good spells but do so at unnecessary times that just pretty much go straight into overheals. Few of them even know how to use the shield sect because they've only learned the regen sect. Of course this is just anecdotal experience so it's possible that I'm just unlucky when it comes to the ASTs I meet, and not an overall trend of all ASTs out there. But based on my experience, I'd take a WHM or SCH over either type of AST any day :/

[KDSilver]

Aetherflow managing isn't that hard.
With the SB trait now it coms back every 45s.

I guess that's just a matter of personnal feeling and opinion then. But for me Indom wins.

[Vyriah]

It's not about not having enough stacks, it's about using them at the right time and keeping track of aether flow cooldown to make use of that passive. Indo being 30 sec may mean that you could use two of them at 30 sec interval inside the same aether flow cycle. It's much more investissement into a fight than learning the timing of spell that need to be cast between 10 and 20 seconds in advance. At worst, you missplace it once or twice before learning the proper timing.

[Aniond]

Personally. I love SCH. I didnt care for astrollgian

[CreinCrein]

Big shields + cards < free heals + moderately sized shields + dps + chain

[Valmaxian]

I've been exclusively AST/SCH lately, and from my experience I've noticed that the bigger Noct AST heals don't really make it "better." Even with CO Lucid Dreaming/Ewer/Lightspeed, I find that on SCH, with Enhanced Aetherflow, Energy Drain, free fairy heals, and great OCG heals I'm able to keep the party alive and do better personal DPS than I can on AST. Plus the Anima is better-looking, which OBVIOUSLY seals the win for SCH.

[Heilstos]

The Noc. Ast has one big Problem. His Kit does not work for his stance. If you look at his shild. He can only use them and thats the end of the day. (If you have Largesse that is the only Option you have)

CO or Time Dilation do not be helpful in Noc., because an increase in the duration of the shield has no benefit; for Hots of cause.(longer HoTs = more heal, but only helpful in some moments)

The scholar is a lot more skillful. Because the sch has options to transform his shields into healing or adjust for serious damage. (like a lot of you said with OGCD)

Than we can look at the cards:

The Bole -> The mitigation of this card is nice. But unfortunately, we do not have a 100% chance to have this card when we need it.

The Spear -> This card can maybe increase healing. But it is also not 100% guarantor for an improved healing and furthermore the AST would rather give this card a DPS.

Lady of Crowns -> This card is by chance and for that the effect is not strong enough. You sacrifice a card to get a 500 HP heal. Even under the aspect that this card is not wanted for the AST (or comes from Sleeve Draw), this card should heal better.

The Cards can help to have Mitigation, but only under the will from Mr. RNG.^^

So you have the Ascept that Diu. AST > Noc. Ast AND the Sch have the better Kit for Mitigation. And the strong OGCDs and the Eos/Selene from the SCH are big pluses. That's why I'm curious what the developers are doing. Maybe they'll increase the shield strength again (like at the start from SB) and think that everything is right again or they will adjust the content so that the noc. Astro healed it with difficulty and the scholar laughs into his fist.

The noc. Ast Kit feels like the last emergency nail of mitigation. And I also try to avoid the noc. stance. Luckily, that's fine until 07S.

[Rhymenoserous]

CO or Time Dilation do not be helpful in Noc., because an increase in the duration of the shield has no benefit; for Hots of cause.(longer HoTs = more heal, but only helpful in some moments)

Why would you time dialate your hots of all things? Buff extension is for cards, any hots that get extended are just a happy accident, since a non trivial number of hots end up as overheal anyways?