Scholar vs Astrologian Mitigation

[Camz]

I kept hearing people say that astrologian nocturnal sec is better than a scholars galvanize because it was instant, more potent and costed less. Is this true? Why should an astrologians ability to mitigate damage ever be stronger than a scholar? That is what makes a scholar unique their sole purpose and playstyle is mitigation. If this is true I am really discouraged to keep playing scholar if another job is besting what I am supposed to be known for. Leave inputs and advices please

[Mimilu]

Checks and balances.
ASTs may cost less but, out of the three healers, AST has potentially the worst MP recovery.
ASTs can normally shield for more (x1.3 the amount healed) but SCH shields more when it Crits (x2 the amount healed, which is already about x2 the normal amount healed).
SCH's can also spread their Single-Target Shield with Deployment Tactics, AST can't.
AST's Aspected Benefic spell is oGCD but it also has the least amount of oGCD Healing abilities.
SCH's also do more damage and have a fairy to help with their heals.

[Risvertasashi]

costed less.

Just to address this in particular, the cost was raised significantly with Stormblood. For reference, if it had remained the same, it would cost around 600mp at level 70. Obviously this isn't the case now. But it still has its advantages, and it's still cheaper than adlo.

AST has potentially the worst MP recovery.

This being said, pretty much all ASTs I see having trouble with MP don't extend Lucid Dreaming. It's a bit like a SCH that doesn't use/take Lucid Dreaming. On the flipside, with the cost of AB rising, shields can't really be spammed as freely and constantly as late HW AST.

[Mimilu]

This being said, pretty much all ASTs I see having trouble with MP don't extend Lucid Dreaming.

True. I'm guilty of this as well. >w>
Even worse, they both have the same cooldown time, 120 seconds.
I usually just forget to do it or I'm holding out for an AoE card.

[KDSilver]

This being said, pretty much all ASTs I see having trouble with MP don't extend Lucid Dreaming. It's a bit like a SCH that doesn't use/take Lucid Dreaming. On the flipside, with the cost of AB rising, shields can't really be spammed as freely and constantly as late HW AST.

This, and not using lightspeed either.
Especially when you have to cast a lot of aoe.

[Kurando]

ASTs can normally shield for more (x1.3 the amount healed) but SCH shields more when it Crits (x2 the amount healed, which is already about x2 the normal amount healed).

I'm pretty sure that Succor was buffed in one of the recent patches to give it 150% shields for the amount restored? (The single target galv shield is still 200% though) Of course AST has the extra sect pot over SCH so it most cases it would come out little higher.

[Vyriah]

CO or Time Dilation do not be helpful in Noc., because an increase in the duration of the shield has no benefit; for Hots of cause.(longer HoTs = more heal, but only helpful in some moments)

You still have unconcious collective HoT, wich is the most potent of all AST HoTs. You can also extend shields duration for pre-pull to catch mechanics that happen just after the 30 seconds timer. It made O3S pre-pull signifcantly easier for AST for exemple, as catching spell-blades with deployement asked a very strict timing.
It's gimmickish, but SCH is the king of gimmicks, that's a the kind of things you shouldn't brush off as a healer.

The reason why SCH is preferred isn't about mitigation. SB made mitigation much more a team effort than a healer thing, so you just don't need better mitigation in a more organised team.
If WHM had chain stratagem, everyone would be playing NocAST.

[Maltothoris]

The reason why SCH is preferred isn't about mitigation. SB made mitigation much more a team effort than a healer thing, so you just don't need better mitigation in a more organised team.
If WHM had chain stratagem, everyone would be playing NocAST.

Scholar has variety. Remember there is still only one clear of UCOB of NoctAst/Whm on fflogs( granted there could be more that weren't upload) is because Sch has flexibility over the Ast. In terms of ogcd heals, Ast has earthly star and essential dignity and collective unconsciousness and while strong, it is very limited and they do have lengthy cds. Sch has lustrate, excog, indom, sacred soil to rotate themselves in a fight and all on shorter cd. There is also the fairy's powers with whispering dawn, fey covenant, and fey illumination. Rouse can be used to empower whispering dawn since dawn is a spell and can be buffed as such.

Deploy tactics is still the best burst mitigation (300 potency shield) compared to anything Ast has and Sch still does 10 percent more damage than Ast which can make up for the lack of buffs.

It isn't just the mitigation that the Sch has. It's the variety, flexibility and overall usefulness of their kit that makes them so strong.

[Vyriah]

The reason why SCH is preferred isn't about mitigation.

It isn't just the mitigation that the Sch has.

I'm not sure why I am being quoted that much, it's like every one is trying their best to find a contradiction that simply doesn't exist.

And because you're just trying to formulate a contradiction, you make your point bigger than it actually is by saying something like "I can do a rotation of 4 different eatherflow skills", something that you don't really do as a SCH. You talk about a 300 potency shield for deployement, but that spell really shine because it can apply sngle target healing buffs like nature's mine or convalesence into a raid wide shield, wich is why I called it a "strong team gimmick". It's good used as it is, but a simple aspected helios isn't that much behind, especially as you could buff it up with largess and can use it on demand (the exact kind of thing that make SCH that good). Yeah, 4.2 SCH buffs, exactly the moment Bahamut was released, made that less of a matter and I have been saying for month that SCH got overtuned.
Strangely enough, now that SCH have stronger safety net everyone love it for its complexity while in 4.0 everyone hated the same not less complex class because it was supposedly too broken.

But you're downplaying AST kit a lot in trying to prove that you're saying what I'm saying more than I am already saying (internet truly is a blessed place). Exco is cool, but essential dignity makes casting it pointless, as target will alway be at more than 50% hp after and will just serve to lower essential dignity potency if cast before, wich is a huge waste of ressources.
Essential dignity is fine by itself. Bene is also fine by itself, but have a much higher cooldown. Exco can be fine by itself but use secondary ressources. And this is what makes essential dignity good. You can apply the same to earthly star, or collective unconcious, or the stance base healing buff. This is AST's strengh, it's harder to use in more busy fight but it completly destroy O4S in a way SCH can't dream to do with any fight in the game.

The fact that there's few WHM/AST could also be because chain stratagem. And is most likely because chain stratagem, as DPS check is a matter in this fight and the longer the fight the more likely cchain stratagem will outweight cards because RNG (and balance nerf, wich also happened just before bahamut's release). So once again : if WHM had chain stratagem, everyone would be playing NocAST.

[FalalaMaru]

The short answer, a sch does not lose to astro in terms of mitigation.
And on another note the unique sole purpose of a sch isn't mitigation, it's their combination of pet + ogcd heal abilities which allows them (and their co-healer) to continue throwing out broils/stones/malefic in the heat of raid wide aoe.