Squadron limit break (Ungarmax) can be used in regular duties by any job

[Jonnycbad]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

[Kallera]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

That really depends on how long this has been known and exploited. If claims that people were using this to make gil hand over fist via clearselling are true, should you really just slap a 3 day vacation on them?

[Lauront]

That really depends on how long this has been known and exploited. If claims that people were using this to make gil hand over fist via clearselling are true, should you really just slap a 3 day vacation on them?

It'd be best to adjust it according to what was gained through its use. Indiscriminately permabanning all who used it, even to frivolous ends with no gain in sight, would be too harsh.

[InkstainedGwyn]

It'd be best to adjust it according to what was gained through its use. Indiscriminately permabanning all who used it, even to frivolous ends with no gain in sight, would be too harsh.

Nobody said 'indiscriminately permabanning' anyone. We said we think that people who knowingly used it to profit should be banned. People who said 'lol watch this' and used it on unsync'd Garuda? Eh. (Although on the other hand I understand the need to be consistent and 'meaningful content' can vary by definition.)

[Lauront]

Nobody said 'indiscriminately permabanning' anyone. We said we think that people who knowingly used it to profit should be banned. People who said 'lol watch this' and used it on unsync'd Garuda? Eh. (Although on the other hand I understand the need to be consistent and 'meaningful content' can vary by definition.)

Good thing my post wasn't predicated on anyone saying that, eh? It's something the devs could do regardless, albeit won't be doing it seems.

[Divinemights]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

That is exactly what people were saying in FF11 Salvage dupes but S/E respond with retaliation of permanent ban hammer. HMNLS back in FF11 are on purposely hide this exploits from S/E for about 6 months.

[Remedi]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?
It is the same problem that blizzard have discussed about on their games, they saw that ppl permabanned from their games just bought new accounts as such the punishment is less problematic that ppl think it really is

[Zojha]

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?

Well, if they buy it legally, that's all the better - Extra revenue! And you don't need extra justification to ban them again if you find out they're the same person. And if they then buy yet another account...

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I hope I'm not giving SE any ideas here <.<'

[Tridus]

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?

As we run low on IPs, ISPs are changing the ones people have more often. Mine doesn't stay the same day to day, typically. An IP ban would mean little unless they started banning entire subnets, which would get innocent people caught up in it.

If banned people wind up buying a new copy of the game and coming back, that's extra revenue at the end of the day. And it'd be a fair bit of work to recover (and you wouldn't get your house back most likely). So it carries a penalty.

[InkstainedGwyn]

If banned people wind up buying a new copy of the game and coming back, that's extra revenue at the end of the day. And it'd be a fair bit of work to recover (and you wouldn't get your house back most likely). So it carries a penalty.

Exactly. You can't realistically get rid of someone permanently unless they want to be gone, but you can give them a pretty solid setback by making them spend more money and removing their access to the content they already cleared, be it legitimately or not. On a game like XIV, where people are less likely to make alts (I don't say unlikely, I just say less) because you can do everything on a single character (other than the other two city-states opening questlines), that can sometimes be years of achievements and honestly? If something wiped my main and dropped all of my hard-won mounts, outfits, gear, achievements, minions, etc? I wouldn't start over again.