Squadron limit break (Ungarmax) can be used in regular duties by any job

[Vhailor]

Banning players in pvp for using third party software in astragalos is completely understandable but punishing players for using shortcuts in the actual game itself is just wrong. The developers should be addressing this, not the GMs.

It's not wrong, and it should be addressed by both the development team and the GM.

Things like this are clearly exploits. Anyone hearing about it knows it's an exploit, and anyone using it knows they're abusing an exploit. Not only do they know they're abusing a loophole in the game system, but it is also clear that the loophole provides a significant in-game advantage (as opposed to benign bugs, such as the Airship texture glitch in FFXI that let you run up onto the railings).

So, SE is fully justified in banning these players. They have intentionally abused an in-game exploit, resulting in a significant advantage relative to other players. That is the textbook definition of cheating. Sure, SE should close the loophole when they can, but cheaters also deserve banhammers.

[Shihen]

Someone mentioned the mass Salvage ban in FF11. The game never fully recovered from that. Most all those players never came back. SE must have realized they just took a bite out of the hand that feeds them.

"Afraid I have some bad news, sir...we only made $6,488,505.00 this month."

"What? That's down from the $6,495,000.00 we made last month!"

"Yes, we believe it's because we banned those 500 players publicly exploiting the game. We should have turned a blind eye and let our inaction do more permanent damage to the company image."

"...Hindsight is 20/20, Johnson. If we want to keep our jobs, we need to bend the rules when enough people break them to make sure a tragedy like this never happens again."


/s

[Divinemights]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

That is exactly what people were saying in FF11 Salvage dupes but S/E respond with retaliation of permanent ban hammer. HMNLS back in FF11 are on purposely hide this exploits from S/E for about 6 months.

[Ashgarth]

It does not have as many players as it did, or could have sustain for a longer time. That was my point. Punishing a player for a developers bad coding is not how to do it; most companies have figured that out by now.

The game is 16 years old, of course it doesnt have as many players as it did.
FFXI did not suffer becuase of the Salvage banns, as far as I recall, all of us were actually happy about it. Of course some players complained and declared the death of the game for the 393495645th time when it happened. But those were mostly the ones who had exploited the game.

[Bernkastelx]

Probably cause mythics take months to make and people were getting 6-8 mythics due to the salvage dupes in no time so yes the bans were justified, the whole excuse "Well its their fault for not patching it that is why I did it.", just makes you look like a fool.

[ElazulHP]

My conclusion from this whole affair is if you want a bug or exploit fixed post in the General Forums & on Reddit instead of the Bug forums where it obviously ends up in a support black hole...

[Alistaire]

Word on the street is that buffs removing cast time (dualcast? swiftcast?) may actually be bypassing the implementation of stopping Ungarmax being used outside of squadrons.

It's still coded as a limit break and those were never affected by those buffs.

...not to mention anyone still using that today is basically asking to be banned.

[Remedi]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?
It is the same problem that blizzard have discussed about on their games, they saw that ppl permabanned from their games just bought new accounts as such the punishment is less problematic that ppl think it really is

[ExKage]

It's still coded as a limit break and those were never affected by those buffs.

...not to mention anyone still using that today is basically asking to be banned.

I can't verify it as it's the hearsay that came my way, "buffs that affect casting can still allow the limit break to go through".

[Zojha]

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?

Well, if they buy it legally, that's all the better - Extra revenue! And you don't need extra justification to ban them again if you find out they're the same person. And if they then buy yet another account...

...

I hope I'm not giving SE any ideas here <.<'