Squadron limit break (Ungarmax) can be used in regular duties by any job

[Remedi]

I doubt SE will mass perma-ban anyone for this, maybe a 3-day suspension. Perma-ban is excessive without previous warnings. Many were perma banned for Salvage Dupes in FFXI on their first offense and these were decade-long players.

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?
It is the same problem that blizzard have discussed about on their games, they saw that ppl permabanned from their games just bought new accounts as such the punishment is less problematic that ppl think it really is

[Zojha]

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?

Well, if they buy it legally, that's all the better - Extra revenue! And you don't need extra justification to ban them again if you find out they're the same person. And if they then buy yet another account...

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I hope I'm not giving SE any ideas here <.<'

[Tridus]

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?

As we run low on IPs, ISPs are changing the ones people have more often. Mine doesn't stay the same day to day, typically. An IP ban would mean little unless they started banning entire subnets, which would get innocent people caught up in it.

If banned people wind up buying a new copy of the game and coming back, that's extra revenue at the end of the day. And it'd be a fair bit of work to recover (and you wouldn't get your house back most likely). So it carries a penalty.

[InkstainedGwyn]

If banned people wind up buying a new copy of the game and coming back, that's extra revenue at the end of the day. And it'd be a fair bit of work to recover (and you wouldn't get your house back most likely). So it carries a penalty.

Exactly. You can't realistically get rid of someone permanently unless they want to be gone, but you can give them a pretty solid setback by making them spend more money and removing their access to the content they already cleared, be it legitimately or not. On a game like XIV, where people are less likely to make alts (I don't say unlikely, I just say less) because you can do everything on a single character (other than the other two city-states opening questlines), that can sometimes be years of achievements and honestly? If something wiped my main and dropped all of my hard-won mounts, outfits, gear, achievements, minions, etc? I wouldn't start over again.

[Jonnycbad]

Besides permabans are worthless unless you ban the IP, what stops them to just buiyng a new account legally or not?
It is the same problem that blizzard have discussed about on their games, they saw that ppl permabanned from their games just bought new accounts as such the punishment is less problematic that ppl think it really is

And XI never recovered from the Salvage bans.

[Remedi]

And XI never recovered from the Salvage bans.

Different game altogether you don't really need much time to get ready with a new account here especially if you buy it, the same went for WoW, D3 and so on

@tridus: Dunno if it's still like that but I remember OW permaban that entirely made impossible to players to register new copies no matter what. I presume it was a IP ban, but I don't know much else about ir so that's I went for that

[Alistaire]

Different game altogether you don't really need much time to get ready with a new account here especially if you buy it, the same went for WoW, D3 and so on

@tridus: Dunno if it's still like that but I remember OW permaban that entirely made impossible to players to register new copies no matter what. I presume it was a IP ban, but I don't know much else about ir so that's I went for that

Except people bought accounts in xi quite frequently. I can tell you from being there at that time, I know of people that were banned over salvage duping who did exactly that. I'd go as far as to say most of the people I heard of being permabanned for various reasons throughout the years would show back up.

[Ashgarth]

And XI never recovered from the Salvage bans.

Please, explain to me how FFXI "never recovered" from having 550 cheaters banned.